Kubota Hst Pedal vs John Deere Hst Pedals

[Industrial Toys]

I actually don't know why they can't build a hybrid type of HST. My Kubota wheel loader has HST but has a gas peddle like a car that controls both oil flow and engine speed. Then a F N R lever on the left of the steering column . And a lever at the back to raise RPMs for stationary (backhoe) work.

If you have a machine that needs full RPM like a mower, then the normal system is great, but for other things, I like the arrangement I described much better.

 

[RaydaKub]

I for one much prefer the Kubota pedal over the duel pedal setup, but it seems like I知 outnumbered here.

+1.

I'll admit I haven't driven a 2 pedal rig. But to me, my old BX rocks. Toe down (rock forward) and you go forward. Toe up, heal down (rock backwards) and you go backward. I never have to search for the pedal because my foot is always on it. I pivot my ankle and I'm moving the direction of the pivot. No stop, move foot, hope I'm on the right pedal when I push.

 

[4570Man]

It is just what you get used to. My Kioti is the side by side two pedals, and I like it fine. When I had the Kubota treadle pedal, I liked it fine too. It just takes time to adapt.

Probably true. I’ve used the JD duel pedals, but only for a few minutes at a time and it was about like a fish out of water.

 

[airbiscuit]

Goofy Foot??

 

[SDT]

Just made the switch from a JD 4200 with Hst to a Kubota MX5800 Hst. I know the Hst pedals were completely different with the JD having 2 side by side pedals for forward and reverse and the Kubota having the single Hst front to back pedal.

Initially I thought the Kubota was the better design, but I'm having a bit of a problem making the switch. I know the more I use the Kubota the better it will get. I go from using my whole foot, toe for forward and heel for reverse and I've tried completely moving my foot for the change. Both don't seam natural to me so far.

Tell me how you veteran Kubota Hst'ers use your pedal.....

I own 5 Kubotas, four of which are hydrostats. These four are the Kubotas that I use most often. Suffice it to say that I am sold on Kubota. Yes, I have owned a JD.

That said, now that the patents have expired on dual fwd/rev hydro pedals, it is time for Kubota to smell the roses and get on the bandwagon.

SDT

 

[k0ua]

Probably true. I’ve used the JD duel pedals, but only for a few minutes at a time and it was about like a fish out of water.

It takes one or two days of working with it to get comfortable. The Kioti felt very strange for a couple of days, then it was just fine. At least that is the way it worked for me. But I adapt to new things pretty well despite being an old gasbag. I bet if a shiny new Kubota arrived with its treadle pedal, I would think it was great. I do like the brakes on the left which my Kioti has, as I use the brakes a fair amount when doing some jobs.

 

[k0ua]

Goofy Foot??

Interesting the cartoon was from 1937 (MCMXXXVII) but the Elvis music was from 1956, although he was not the first to do it.

 

[nybirdman]

I have one of each;don't seem to notice a problem with either one.

 

[Fallon]

I have a preference for the single treadle design. I attribute 80% of that to being on my 2nd Kubota & never having owned a 2 pedal HST. I didnt notice much about the JDs when I test drive them other than they felt different. I'd assume I'd prefer the 2 pedal if that's what I owned & used. My former L3200 ducked with the brakes on the right. Had to ride side saddle to use turning brakes with the go pedal (and you can't use turning brakes on a HST if you aren't using the go pedal). The new L4060 has no clutch, so go pedal on the right & brakes on the left, as it should be

As far as the clunky shifting on the gearbox behind the HST. Every single one I've test drove (Orange, orange, green, red, blue, etc) all had clunky unsynchronized 3 speeds (except the economy JD, which was a clunky 2 speed). I assume they do that to save money & as you have HST you dont need to shift it to much (even better with HST+). All machines are made to a price point & I assume that's a pretty standard engineering cost vs marketing value tradeoff everybody has decided on.

 

[akgoy09]

I have driven both JD and Kubota, either one is fine with me. I prefer Kubota tractors, so I guess I prefer the tredle

 

[Oldoak]

I actually don't know why they can't build a hybrid type of HST. My Kubota wheel loader has HST but has a gas peddle like a car that controls both oil flow and engine speed. Then a F N R lever on the left of the steering column . And a lever at the back to raise RPMs for stationary (backhoe) work.

If you have a machine that needs full RPM like a mower, then the normal system is great, but for other things, I like the arrangement I described much better.

The closest thing to that is my Kubota L5060GST, accept there isn't a lever at the back to raise RPMs for stationary (backhoe) work.

As far as treadle petal or dual petals, just proves one design will never please everybody. Proven by the four pages of comments in this thread. :confused3:

 

[Volfandt]

I've had both, I've acclimated to the treadle pedal so well I hardly notice how or where I place my right foot, don't even have to look nor think about it. When operating the tractor when I want to go a certain speed in a certain direction it just seems to go without effort LOL. Same for stopping and changing direction. Never had my leg/foot tire either. Perhaps some need to work out more LOL....

Oh, and I've never depressed the wrong pedal and shot off in the wrong direction with the Kubota treadle either....

 

[pmsmechanic]

Never had my leg/foot tire either. Perhaps some need to work out more LOL....

I do a wide variety of different jobs.

One time I cleaned a farmers corrals for him. It was three ten hour days in a row. I'm quite happy that I didn't have a Kubota where I would have had to lift my leg every time I wanted to change direction or leave it in a raised position on the pedal all day. No amount of "working out" would prepare you for that. All I had to do was move my toes sideways.

Oh, and I've never depressed the wrong pedal and shot off in the wrong direction with the kubota treadle either....

I'll be honest... I've done this more than once.

 

[Ortimber]

Before any one reads me wrong here I'm going to state that I think Kubota makes great tractors.

For the life of me I can't figure out why the brake pedals and the hydrostatic pedals are on the same side. But then I'm not an engineer.

I tend to think that just moving your toe to switch directions would be easier than moving your whole foot...

Notice that I own John Deere's. Not because I think they are better tractors but because I have problems with some of the Kubota engineering. That video of the converted pedal has me thinking. I would remove the reverse part of the original pedal though.

Having brakes on the right is because there is also a clutch pedal to deal with.

 

[arits74]

i didn't even look at Kubota when tractor shopping.ive owned several tractors over the years and not one Kubota.2 pedals are what I like the best.and I think the front loader bucket is way too small on the kubotas.I do think the kubotas are fine tractors

 

[4570Man]

It seems like as many people strongly prefer one or the other the manufacturers would be wise to offer both or at least a retro fit kit.

 

[rScotty]

It seems like as many people strongly prefer one or the other the manufacturers would be wise to offer both or at least a retro fit kit.

I think that you are right, but manufacturers don't tend to do that as much as they once did. I wonder why, but bottom line is we can't count on manufacturers to offer options to any of their design decisions.

But it's all good, because that leaves the field wide open for a small business to make a retrofit kit. I'd buy one....

And while they are at it, they might as well make a kit to convert the side exhaust to a vertical stack.

rScotty

 

[TripleR]

I think that you are right, but manufacturers don't tend to do that as much as they once did. I wonder why, but bottom line is we can't count on manufacturers to offer options to any of their design decisions.

But it's all good, because that leaves the field wide open for a small business to make a retrofit kit. I'd buy one....

And while they are at it, they might as well make a kit to convert the side exhaust to a vertical stack.

rScotty

Might check with Paul Short, he had a thread on his conversion on the L5740HSTC.

 

[deathtoblackberries]

I love the Kubota treadle pedal. At first yes it was really weird, now I don't even think about it. Ditto for the backhoe controls, at first wow jerky and pull the wrong one or go the wrong direction. After I had dug maybe 15 stumps no thinking required I worked the hydro's as smooth as silk. My neighbors asked me if I could dug a trench across their gravel drive for a drain pipe after a summer digging stumps and commented how smooth I was.

Here's something to think about, if you are zooming along forward and hit the JD reverse pedal too soon and it pitches you forward that would only pitch you even more onto the reverse pedal. Kubota just the opposite.

 

[pappy59]

Hello,new to the forum with my first post. I have been shopping for a compact tractor for about 4 months, and had never considered a Kubota due to all of the opinions on the forums against the treadle pedal design. My right ankle is fused due to an accident many years ago, and has little movement.
Wanting to stay below 30hp, I was focused on John Deere, Massey Ferguson, or New Holland, with my main focus on JD. After several months waiting on the new JD 2025R design, I was disappointed when I was finally able to see one due to the weaker loader and 3PT capacity.

I finally decided to travel 100 mi to a Kubota dealer to try the treadle pedal. Much to my surprise, it was no issue at all, even with no movement in my ankle. I still have my JD X540 for trimming, and after some experience with the B2650, the JD is starting to feel awkward.

Moral of the story, please don't discount the Kubota design until you try it.