25 HP vs 35 HP

[searcyfarms]

amen to the tearing things up..........that is why I have both

 

[4570Man]

amen to the tearing things up..........that is why I have both

Same here. Now if there was a compact tractor that was on par with a 100 hp skid steer. Not even being able to push a rock that the skid steer would stack on top of it’s bigger brother and lift both is kinda disappointing. My buddy has a compact wheel loader that’s on par with the strength of the skid steer but the physical size is bigger and the front end visibility isn’t as good.

 

[Geotech]

Well, I'm definitely not going to buy a skid steer in place of, or in addition to, a tractor. My grampa used to drag out logs with an old 1950's or older Farmall tractor with a gas hand crank engine. I am not worried if the tractor I chose CAN do such a thing, nor am I worried about getting some dirt on a log. I am trying to discern how meaningful the difference is in a 25 HP vs 35 HP tractor in doing these tasks.

If I get a little dirt on a log, I can spray it off, sharpen a blade more often or buy a new saw blade. I'm not getting into commercial logging and milling. I don't need to spend another $10K on a tractor because of a little dirt on a saw blade. Again, I'm not looking for the best bazooka to kill my fly - just trying to get a check on 25 HP vs 35 HP. Weighing the pros and cons of the cost and reliability differential when looking and the lower HP Kubota against the higher HP Kioiti. Probably sounding defensive here, but in reality am just trying to get the conversation back on topic.

 

[4570Man]

I’ve used a CK25 and several other 30-35 hp tractors. The CK25 is critically under powered. Percentage wise you’re talking about a substantial difference.

 

[Aquamoose]

I’ve used a CK25 and several other 30-35 hp tractors. The CK25 is critically under powered. Percentage wise you’re talking about a substantial difference.

I can attest to that. I should have added, most guys but tractors for life and I have no intention of selling it for as long as I’m alive so resale factor isn’t anywhere on my priority list.

 

[Oldoak]

Well, I'm definitely not going to buy a skid steer in place of, or in addition to, a tractor. My grampa used to drag out logs with an old 1950's or older Farmall tractor with a gas hand crank engine. I am not worried if the tractor I chose CAN do such a thing, nor am I worried about getting some dirt on a log. I am trying to discern how meaningful the difference is in a 25 HP vs 35 HP tractor in doing these tasks.

If I get a little dirt on a log, I can spray it off, sharpen a blade more often or buy a new saw blade. I'm not getting into commercial logging and milling. I don't need to spend another $10K on a tractor because of a little dirt on a saw blade. Again, I'm not looking for the best bazooka to kill my fly - just trying to get a check on 25 HP vs 35 HP. Weighing the pros and cons of the cost and reliability differential when looking and the lower HP Kubota against the higher HP Kioiti. Probably sounding defensive here, but in reality am just trying to get the conversation back on topic.

:thumbsup:

Sometimes you just have to be assertive. To often suggestions just get too far off base.

 

[searcyfarms]

well in that case I have an old john deere B with a trip bucket, I believe she is a solid 25hp and built for stout with Armstrong steering on it - I think that would do just dandy for ya and way more inexpensive not to mention I can take the electric starter off for you and put on a hand start flywheel so you can do just like Gpa did!!!! wheres them logs, start draggin!!!!

 

[searcyfarms]

LOL - at least we know there are a lot of options ;-) - personally I went with a CUT - I have owned a SCUT ( not that you are considering that ) and just always running short on umph/weight - not fond of the teeter totter pedal - various reasons - mostly design/placement/position/dexterity/fatigue and ease of use and my wife/daughter like the separate pedals ( they hold 2/3 vote ;-) - I think I already shared my recent observations regarding branson/tym/kioti/ls/cnh/fnh/Mahindra/deere - id say 75% will boil down to dealer support the other 20% of nuances brand specific on what you like and the rest negotiating price. My vote would be heaviest/most HP that your budget will allow which will produce the most lifting cap and tractive effort/power.

 

[prof fate]

my choices were L25 or 33, RK (tym) 37 or kioti CK25 or 35.

More kubota support here, had an L175 (17hp, 1400lb, no loader) and while it could do a lot, we have 25 acre horse farm and brush hogging the field weeds is a main task, along with driveway maintenance, etc.

I figured 25hp would be fine. The guy we've hired when needed has a boomer 45hp. Impressive capabilities, but 40-45hp is out of my budget.

RK units are fully optioned, nice. Price, nice. Support...scary. RK (rural king) has dropped 2 other brands of tractors in the past decade, no 'dedicated' support at the store.

Kubota's seem stripped down compared to Kioti, and cost more...My kioti was the same price as the RK37...with same/similar features (and I added some to it as well). For example, my kioti included quick attach bucket (a necissity - do not leave the dealer without it), grab handles on both fenders, bucket level indicator - and probably a few other bits that are 'better' on the kioti like cup holder and phone holder (or for pins and clips), fuel tank location for filling (on the hood SUCKS with a loader).

The 35 was $1800 mroe than the same frame size 25 - BUT - in addition to 10hp (and dpf filter) it comes with a heaver duty (more capacity) loader. Resale on a bigger tractor is better I would think.

As for brand resale..if my Kioti was $3500 less than a kubota I would expect it to sell for less some day in the future. If you look at 15 year old tractors w/ loaders there seems to be a 'floor' for the pricing - ANYTHING with a loader is $6500 to 8000 here, no matter brand, age, etc. So the diff there is what, 1500? So say a kubota is 8k and kioti is $6500 - The kub cost $3500 more to buy..so the kioti is still cheaper in the long run.

Neighbor has his dad's 25 year old kioti - NEVER had a repair.

I got a CK3510HST - load tires, floor mat, mirror, cruise, link pedal, horn, loaded tires, arm rest, first service, delivery, free warranty pickup - 22,550 out the door. Have just under 60 hours on it in the first 6 weeks with no issues. None.

Regen'd once at 38 hours, took 10 minutes while I was box blading. Dealer said in 3 plus years of DPF on kioti's they've never had an issue. I hear about kubota issues relating to dpf a lot online.

OK - 10 extra hp...when you need it you need it! But then if you had 100hp you'd still find something that needed 110hp.

With 29 PTO hp I could do hay and may, no way with 25hp tractor, not enough pto power.
Won't work the 35 as hard as a 25..so it should last longer doing the same work, and I have the extra power when I need it.

And when you're going uphill loaded in 4WD you need all the power you can get.

And the extra power allows bigger implements (6' brush hog over 5' for example), should help with snow removal, have only box bladed once so far and WOW, what the extrra power/weight does compared to the old kubota is night and day difference, teaspoon vs shovel difference.

 

[GirlWhoWantsTractor]

Well, I'm definitely not going to buy a skid steer in place of, or in addition to, a tractor. My grampa used to drag out logs with an old 1950's or older Farmall tractor with a gas hand crank engine. I am not worried if the tractor I chose CAN do such a thing, nor am I worried about getting some dirt on a log. I am trying to discern how meaningful the difference is in a 25 HP vs 35 HP tractor in doing these tasks.

If I get a little dirt on a log, I can spray it off, sharpen a blade more often or buy a new saw blade. I'm not getting into commercial logging and milling. I don't need to spend another $10K on a tractor because of a little dirt on a saw blade. Again, I'm not looking for the best bazooka to kill my fly - just trying to get a check on 25 HP vs 35 HP. Weighing the pros and cons of the cost and reliability differential when looking and the lower HP Kubota against the higher HP Kioiti. Probably sounding defensive here, but in reality am just trying to get the conversation back on topic.

A 25 HP can do everything on your list. A 35 HP will do it quicker as long as it's not too big to maneuver through the obstacles on your property.

For a farmer or commercial user, or just someone who wants to get every job done as quickly and efficiently as possible, more HP (and often, multiple machines) is pretty much a no-brainer. They probably can't conceive how anyone could be happy puttering around on a 25 HP tractor. I like working in a relaxed, leisurely fashion. For me it is a pleasure to be savored, not a "job" to be finished ASAP. OTOH, if I had 20 flat, boring acres to mow I'd probably want to get 'er done as fast as possible. Different POVs.

Makes a big difference the type of property you have, as well as the types of tasks. If I had a large acreage that was all wide-open that I needed to mow, this tractor would probably feel tiny and underpowered. On my heavily wooded, steep land, it still feels like a bulky, powerful beast (cue derisive laughter ). I can't imagine what I'd do with more size/HP here, except be even less able to fit through my woods. As it is, I'm going to have to remake some of my trails just so this tractor will fit. So for me, bigger was not necessarily better. I bought UP a size based on TBN advice; time will tell if I made the right call.

If you scan the threads here, every brand of tractor has its issues. Folks tend to be very brand-loyal once they buy. You'll have to decide if the Kubota name is worth it to you, or if you crave more HP for your $$$. Mahindra was more power in a smaller HP tractor for a smaller price, plus a good dealer not too far away, plus no Regen or DPF (one less mechanical thing to figure out), so it suited my priorities.

When you have a wide variety of different tasks to do (as opposed to a huge tract to mow) a good selection of quality implements may save you more time than more HP.