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dnw64

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I recently sold a job to a guy who is a PJ Trailer rep. He told me he'd give me wholesale pricing on a trailer, so that seems attractive. Their promo material sounds great (as expected!). Any real world feedback out there?

FWIW, I would be looking for a trailer that could handle my Kubota B3030-Cab with FEL and Woods BH. I'm thinking a tilt-bed (for clearance issues with BH attached) at 7000 Gross would be a good option. Any comments?
 
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What do you mean 7k gross. A 7k payload or a 7k GVWR trailer? If you’re thinking trailer you’re nuts. I’d go 12k minimum. I have a 20’+2 flatbed trailer with 7k axles. A tractor
With a backhoe is pretty long. Throw another implement on there and it’s tough to dial in the tongue weight. You’re better off having a couple tons of leeway payload wise. Your trailer will last longer.
 
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What do you mean 7k gross. A 7k payload or a 7k GVWR trailer? If you’re thinking trailer you’re nuts.

Nuts? Wow. Where does that come from?

According to what I've found, the B3030 cab is 2271#. LA403 loader with bucket is 461# and the BX-80 is 858#, a total of just under 3600#*. A 7k GVWR trailer at 20' (referenced in OP) is around 2700#, leaving 4300# capacity, or over 700# leeway for extras. If I have the BH attached I'm unlikely to be using any other implements. If I don't have the BH attached I have over 1500# additional capacity available; I can't imagine needing to move that many implements in my "work".

*I may just take it to the shop on my son-in-laws 14k trailer and weigh it with our forklift scale, but I doubt it will be too far off from that. Certainly not by 500#.

With a tilt-bed I am expecting to be able to judge the COG and adjust tongue weight thereby (in addition to the tilt bed, I have air suspension on my truck, which levels itself automatically, giving a sense as to how much load is being added).

If you have specific data contrary to the above I would love to see it, as I want no part in contributing to the roadside clutter.

Regards,
 
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I have a 20'/14,000 PJ trailer...

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I like it a lot and if needed I'd buy it over again...

SR
 
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Nuts? Wow. Where does that come from?

Wow, that was a rather rude comment, wasn't it.

I have a B3030 with the BH76 I trailer on an 18-foot dovetail 7K GVW car hauler, no issues and fits fine. I do load the tractor with the backhoe facing forward so I get the proper tongue loading weight. If I remember right, the tractor in this configuration comes in around 3,600 pounds. I do not run loaded tires. I use the Weight Safe drop hitch with the built in scale so I know what the tongue weight is (+- 50 pounds).

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For the money I would get a 10k capacity just to be safe, that way you have some wiggle room if you ever upgrade or have to help someone move something. Sounds like you have the truck to pull it but to be sure what’s the tow vehicle? I have never personally thought “man I wish I had a smaller trailer” but I have said the opposite.
In terms of length I would also go a bit longer than what you need, gives you room to balance the load.

Best of luck, you can’t go wrong getting a trailer at a deal. Rye
 
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I have a B3030 with the BH76 I trailer on an 18-foot dovetail 7K GVW car hauler, no issues and fits fine. I do load the tractor with the backhoe facing forward so I get the proper tongue loading weight. If I remember right, the tractor in this configuration comes in around 3,600 pounds. I do not run loaded tires. I use the Weight Safe drop hitch with the built in scale so I know what the tongue weight is (+- 50 pounds).

Very helpful - thanks. I wasn't aware of a built-in scale availability - will look into that.

I'll be towing with a 2015 Ram 1500. Towing capacity is, I believe, just over 10,000.
 
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I didn’t realize a 30 hp tractor was that light. I still think a 7k GVWR trailer is too light though. I would go at least 10k.
 
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7k will be fine. And you will have more leeway than you think.

If the tractor is 3600# and trailer is 2700, that is 6300# total. With 700# wiggle room

Now put 600# on the hitch of the truck, now your trailer axles are 1300# UNDER what you are rated for.

So alot more wiggle room than you think.

I dont know how long a B is with a hoe, but a hoe may not be the longest implement you ever want to carry. Do you have a 5' bushhog? Hook it up, measure you overall length. Then decide if you think 20' is what you want
 
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Now put 600# on the hitch of the truck, now your trailer axles are 1300# UNDER what you are rated for.

Never considered that! Good point.

I dont know how long a B is with a hoe, but a hoe may not be the longest implement you ever want to carry. Do you have a 5' bushhog? Hook it up, measure you overall length. Then decide if you think 20' is what you want

The hoe is off right now, but I measured the two pieces separately and it looks like right under 20' total. They guy that delivered it did so on a 16' landscape trailer, bucket hanging over the front and hoe over the back... I do have a 5' brush hog, which seems to be about the same length as the hoe (8'), so I think 20' is the way to go.
 
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I know that I may be a freak in this respect, but I have a 25' long 9,990 titled gross (2 x 6K lb axles) flatbed and would not want to go shorter. Actually, if I were replacing mine I would go to 30' long and stay at the 9,990 titled gross. I've never ran into a time that I thought to myself... "I just cant haul this load because my trailer is simply to long." But I tried to get 2 Wrangler JK 2 doors on it to haul to Colorado and found that it is just not long enough. I can not get 2 demo derby cars on it until after they are smashed. Going to do driveway jobs with the Kubota with the backhoe, loader, box and rear grader blade it is a REALLY tight fit! 5 more feet would be nice.

My truck is a 2017 Ram 1500 Hemi with the Max Tow package that has the 3.92 gears, bigger trans cooler, engine oil cooler, integrated trailer brake control and class 5 hitch. It is rated for 9,460 lbs. max trailer weight. I do run a 14,000 max weight distribution hitch to push the weight to the front wheels as well.
 

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Don't you have to deduct the weight of the trailer in order to get the actual capacity? A 7K trailer does not have a 7K load capacity!!! Am I wrong??
 
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Don't you have to deduct the weight of the trailer in order to get the actual capacity? A 7K trailer does not have a 7K load capacity!!! Am I wrong??

Correct. A 7K trailer means it is 7K Gross weight. Gross weight is maximum weight of trailer plus cargo.
 
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For your current needs a 7K trailer is fine. Just double check your overall length of the tractor with the back hoe attached.
 
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According to my manual, I need a weight distributing hitch for 5k+ Gross Trailer Weight. I know lots people are not... ?
 
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it sounds like this is a one time offer. If i were in your shoes.... I'd buy the "most" trailer i could afford.

I have a collection of trailers, and have rebuilt most of them. I'd recommend a 10K trailer over the 7k because generally its a small price difference and with it you get bigger rims and tires. bigger tires means a stronger tire (more capacity) and lower bearing rpm's. oh and the wheel bearings are bigger too.

If your the type of guy that takes care of stuff and keeps it a long time, consider galvanized or aluminum wheels. the white spoke steel wheels rust.

I'd love a power tilt trailer, but a gravity tilt doesn't seem worth the cost increase.

flat deck no beaver tail is the way to go, unless you want/need to transport cars.

it sounds like you have the length figured out.

maybe look into a adjustable coupler in case you change tow vehicles

if you get ramps, I highly suggest removable ramps, that slide in the back ( not the side )
 
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I'd love a power tilt trailer, but a gravity tilt doesn't seem worth the cost increase.

flat deck no beaver tail is the way to go, unless you want/need to transport cars.

I have considered a beaver tail with slide-in ramps as well. I would like to be able to haul cars (including my very low Porsche). In fact I've been looking at a "car hauler" type trailer. Why are you suggesting No Beaver Tail? I'm concerned even with loading my tractor with the BH on it, on a flat-deck trailer, because of clearance issues. I assume a tilt-bed is the best for loading clearance?

Also am considering a 10k trailer, mostly so I could haul a full-size car/truck.
 
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Since you can get it for wholesale I'd go bigger. Think of other uses you may have for a higher capacity and longer trailer. By your own numbers in post #3 a 7K trailer would allow you a 4300 lb. load capacity. If you ever need to haul a full size P/U you couldn't do it legally as most P/U's weigh more than that.


I have a 22' PJ TF 14K full tilt with power up and power down. When I bought I only needed a 10K trailer but no local dealers had any 10 or 12K's in stock. I found one dealer who gave me a great deal on a leftover 14K so I took it.
 
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MY Deere 110 TLB was sold as a package deal and came with a PJ trailer... nothing bad to say about the PJ

It is 18' with two 6k axles and plated for 9,990 lbs due to State Commercial Regs

The 110 fits perfect and the trailer is a joy to use with the tilt up ramps... which I didn't like the looks of at first but sure makes loading easy...
 
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it sounds like this is a one time offer. If i were in your shoes.... I'd buy the "most" trailer i could afford.

I have a collection of trailers, and have rebuilt most of them. I'd recommend a 10K trailer over the 7k because generally its a small price difference and with it you get bigger rims and tires. bigger tires means a stronger tire (more capacity) and lower bearing rpm's. oh and the wheel bearings are bigger too.

If your the type of guy that takes care of stuff and keeps it a long time, consider galvanized or aluminum wheels. the white spoke steel wheels rust.

I'd love a power tilt trailer, but a gravity tilt doesn't seem worth the cost increase.

flat deck no beaver tail is the way to go, unless you want/need to transport cars.

it sounds like you have the length figured out.

maybe look into a adjustable coupler in case you change tow vehicles

if you get ramps, I highly suggest removable ramps, that slide in the back ( not the side )

I agree with pretty much all of this, but will add some points....
- It seldom is beneficial to spec something too close to capacity, so if you have a wholesale way to get your trailer, go for bigger. Eventual resale will be better for the larger capacity trailer, so it won't be lost money.
- You said "A 7k GVWR trailer at 20' (referenced in OP) is around 2700#", but was that the weight for a tilt deck? Tilt decks are heavier because you basically have to duplicate the frame for the deck area, and that extra iron will reduce your gross carrying capacity.
- 10K also sounds more realistic to me. Dry weight numbers are seldom accurate for tractors or trailers when it comes to real world hauling. Add in a full tank of diesel, a couple gas cans, some tools, straps and chains/binders, planks, a toolbox on the front of the trailer to store your extra chains and straps, tire blocks, a spare tire, the tongue jack, pry bars, picks and shovels, whatever other crap you will eventually toss on there to get the job done, and you have eaten up enough extra that you are always sweating it because you are always running near capacity. If you are able to weigh it ahead of time, make sure you throw on a buttload of extra crap when you do it to account for all the extras that come with trailering a load and doing a job.
- Tilts decks are not for everyone. Some folks like them, but if you have a long/front heavy load and a short/light trailer, or you have to load some implements/gear up front it may tilt back before the back tires are on and then you are jamming wooden blocks under the tilt and sledgehammering them out once the tractor is on. Unless you get a power tilt, which means an even more significant increase in weight for this trailer and reduction in carrying capacity. It is good for loading clearance though, like you say you are looking for. I use my friend's 14K gravity tilt for my tractor and my own utility trailer+planks for my side-by-side, and both have pros and cons. Give some careful thought to what will actually work best for you.
 

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