Pull from the front or the rear?

[JohnBuffaloMN]

Hello strantor. I only had time to read the first 3 pages. At Ag college this exact senario was demonstrated. Pulling off the drawbar (mounted under the axle) the tractor can rear up, BUT there is a point where the the pull on the drawbar is PREVENTING the tractor from flipping all the way over backward. This same pull is what caused the tractor to rear up in the first place.
The tutor also made the point that from the operators seat it is scarey and most people will hit the cluch and drop the nose back to the ground and blow a tyre or break the front axle.
"and USE the flaming SEAT BELT" (tutors last word in that class)
We were also shown a film of how quickly a tractor pulling from the top link mount point WILL flip over.
Hope this helps.

Thanks redman135. Wonder why there aren't automatic seat belts for a tractors?

 

[Threepoint]

I think you will find that today, John Deere calls it an "implement bar".

Lawyers being what they are.

They are not meant for pulling maximum loads that might lodge against immovable objects. The draw bar IS!

Only a fool would use terminology to justify stupidity!

CalG, why the last sentence? When someone has to resort to personal insults in a discussion, I figure they've already lost the argument.

In fact, the use of terminology is precisely what your exchange was about. In your post #52 you said:

They are NOT DRAW BARS, They are spreader bars. Made for spacing the lift arms when no attachment is fitted.

That people call them draw bars, or use them for "pulling", is testimony to human ignorance.

No one in this thread has claimed they are "meant for pulling maximum loads that might lodge against immovable objects." But they are certainly "drawbars", not for spacing the lift arms, and the holes across their length are intended to receive clevis hitch pins and trailer balls.
CountyLine Cross Drawbar, Category 1, 3/4 in. dia. at Tractor Supply Co.

I've had one for 25 ys, bought as a cross drawbar from Central Tractor Farm and Country back before they went Ch. 11. Also have the accessory called a "drawbar lock" that locks it to the lift arm to keep it from rotating in the ball ends. That, too, is still sold under that terminology today. CountyLine Drawbar Lock, Cat 1 at Tractor Supply Co.

Very handy to move trailers and equipment. I don't use it these days because my tractors have Harbor Freight quick hitches, and I haven't taken the time to figure out a way to lock the bar in position on a quick hitch to use the trailer balls. I'm kinda hoping one of you smart TBN members will come up with an easy solution.

 

[California]

... my tractors have Harbor Freight quick hitches, and I haven't taken the time to figure out a way to lock the bar in position on a quick hitch to use the trailer balls. I'm kinda hoping one of you smart TBN members will come up with an easy solution.

Here's the solution I've used for several years to pull a light (2600 lbs) watering trailer over rough disced ground. The small plates are welded to the standard adapter sleeves used with that hitch, and the more massive weld bead (rather than the plate) bears most of the rotational force. The plate/sleeve devices are bolted on, inboard as visible here and also through the outer holes that were intended for the clevis pin.

Several years use now, no problems. I don't recommend this for a trailer heavier than how I use it.

 

[WranglerX]

I think you will find that today, John Deere calls it an "implement bar".

Lawyers being what they are.

They are not meant for pulling maximum loads that might lodge against immovable objects. The draw bar IS!

Only a fool would use terminology to justify stupidity!

Only providing this to show that there is no industry wide or proper definition of supposed of what "drawbar" means or its usage.... Calling the people in mass stupid does not help you prove a point...

Dale

 

[WranglerX]

CalG, why the last sentence? When someone has to resort to personal insults in a discussion, I figure they've already lost the argument.

In fact, the use of terminology is precisely what your exchange was about. In your post #52 you said:




No one in this thread has claimed they are "meant for pulling maximum loads that might lodge against immovable objects." But they are certainly "drawbars", not for spacing the lift arms, and the holes across their length are intended to receive clevis hitch pins and trailer balls.
CountyLine Cross Drawbar, Category 1, 3/4 in. dia. at Tractor Supply Co.

I've had one for 25 ys, bought as a cross drawbar from Central Tractor Farm and Country back before they went Ch. 11. Also have the accessory called a "drawbar lock" that locks it to the lift arm to keep it from rotating in the ball ends. That, too, is still sold under that terminology today. CountyLine Drawbar Lock, Cat 1 at Tractor Supply Co.

Very handy to move trailers and equipment. I don't use it these days because my tractors have Harbor Freight quick hitches, and I haven't taken the time to figure out a way to lock the bar in position on a quick hitch to use the trailer balls. I'm kinda hoping one of you smart TBN members will come up with an easy solution.

Ummm.... Sort of a universal fix for the object of discussion when using QH....



Would also leave a selection of holes in "that thing" available to attach something...

Dale

 

[Threepoint]

Here's the solution I've used for several years to pull a light (2600 lbs) watering trailer over rough disced ground. The small plates are welded to the standard adapter sleeves used with that hitch, and the more massive weld bead (rather than the plate) bears most of the rotational force. The plate/sleeve devices are bolted on, inboard as visible here and also through the outer holes that were intended for the clevis pin.

Several years use now, no problems. I don't recommend this for a trailer heavier than how I use it.

Very clever! Thanks for posting! :thumbsup:

 

[Threepoint]

Ummm.... Sort of a universal fix for the object of discussion when using QH....

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Would also leave a selection of holes in "that thing" available to attach something...

Dale

Dale, thanks! I like it.

Two solutions within an hour! :salute:

 

[CalG]

Dale, thanks! I like it.

Two solutions within an hour! :salute:

That is exactly "the thing" that is going to get the operator killed in a rear flip and roll over.

The expectation that because a "thing" is called something and even made for that purpose it's good to go, is not in anyone's best interest.

This is why I don't mind calling out people for being what they are.

Random Pulling from the lower links of a three point hitch is just wrong. What was once a tug from below the axle all too soon becomes an over turning force from above axle height. Draw the vectors your self, or look it up on the internet. Jeesh!
Warnings like "don't exceed what I'm doing" are insufficient. The reality is if you don't know what YOU are doing, Do it the safest way possible.

 

[aczlan]

That is exactly "the thing" that is going to get the operator killed in a rear flip and roll over.

The expectation that because a "thing" is called something and even made for that purpose it's good to go, is not in anyone's best interest.

This is why I don't mind calling out people for being what they are.

Random Pulling from the lower links of a three point hitch is just wrong. What was once a tug from below the axle all too soon becomes an over turning force from above axle height. Draw the vectors your self, or look it up on the internet. Jeesh!
Warnings like "don't exceed what I'm doing" are insufficient. The reality is if you don't know what YOU are doing, Do it the safest way possible.

That's why you use a tractor which has a roll bar and wear a seatbelt. I use a three point hitch trailer mover quite frequently. Not for heavy pulling, but for moving equipment around because then I don't have to stop and run the jack up and down. We also use it when we're making hay to pull the side delivery rake as it puts the rake a little bit further back and lets us make a 90-degree turn when needed. It also lets us lift the rake up over the wind rows.

Aaron Z

 

[CalG]

except for the reliance on the roll over bar and seat belt,

I seems you know what you are doing.

IIRC this thread started with the question about pulling from the front.