10K Deck over tilt or with ramps

[4570Man]

Can you just drive all the way to the front of the BP and chain down and be on your way?

 

[ovrszd]

I don't find it any more difficult to hook up to a GN.

But I understand that some people might have physical limitations that make it difficult.

 

[mojoinco]

To get back to the OP's questions. I was in the same boat (looking for my 'forever' trailer). 2500, tractor, existing 16' 10k# trailer. Trailer was barely adequate, if I only had a light implement and kept the speed down.

Decided I hated moving ramps around, tested a parked new heavy duty PJ flip ramp -- too hard (not well balanced torsion spring). Decided on a 22' deck over hydraulic tilt. No ramps to worry about -- ever (my concerns are more that something happens when you are out with the unit, like slipping, dropping something on your foot, any stupid moment kind of thing). Plus, I haven't figured out how to get younger.

Though I wasn't looking for a goose neck (I know, not on your list) I ended up with a PJ T8 gooseneck. Never again will I get a gooseneck in this size range (out of scope for your particular question).

14k# means I have enough overage for the tractor and an implement or two. No CDL concerns, as it's very unlikely I will own a dually. 22' tilt bed, plus 4' fixed section, winch. Deck over is the only way to go. I've only used mine with the tractor on it a couple of times. A little sphincter activity, but nothing especially challenging. Load other vehicles, large bales of hay, long 'stuff'. And be able to unload them at home. Forks will be a god send of owning a tractor. You use them so much more than you thought.

With the old 10k trailer, I had various cars and a skid steer that required a lot of work to get ramp angles correct. And I don't want to loose flat bed length to a dovetail. With the deck over tilt, all is well, and no issues with pushing vehicles (and there is never enough people around to make that truly safe, etc). Just untie everything, hold the controls (winch in one hand, tilt in the other; for affect of course). Moved a couple of car bodies that had at best questionable rubber devices formerly known as tires, etc. Bed height isn't much different than the bed of a 4x4 2500. Doesn't matter much from the cab with the forks on anyhow.

Though it hasn't mattered to me (yet) the fixed section means I can put something there (implement, skid steer, etc) and then tilt the trailer back down to load the rest.

 

[ovrszd]

To get back to the OP's questions. I was in the same boat (looking for my 'forever' trailer). 2500, tractor, existing 16' 10k# trailer. Trailer was barely adequate, if I only had a light implement and kept the speed down.

Decided I hated moving ramps around, tested a parked new heavy duty PJ flip ramp -- too hard (not well balanced torsion spring). Decided on a 22' deck over hydraulic tilt. No ramps to worry about -- ever (my concerns are more that something happens when you are out with the unit, like slipping, dropping something on your foot, any stupid moment kind of thing). Plus, I haven't figured out how to get younger.

Though I wasn't looking for a goose neck (I know, not on your list) I ended up with a PJ T8 gooseneck. Never again will I get a gooseneck in this size range (out of scope for your particular question).

14k# means I have enough overage for the tractor and an implement or two. No CDL concerns, as it's very unlikely I will own a dually. 22' tilt bed, plus 4' fixed section, winch. Deck over is the only way to go. I've only used mine with the tractor on it a couple of times. A little sphincter activity, but nothing especially challenging. Load other vehicles, large bales of hay, long 'stuff'. And be able to unload them at home. Forks will be a god send of owning a tractor. You use them so much more than you thought.

With the old 10k trailer, I had various cars and a skid steer that required a lot of work to get ramp angles correct. And I don't want to loose flat bed length to a dovetail. With the deck over tilt, all is well, and no issues with pushing vehicles (and there is never enough people around to make that truly safe, etc). Just untie everything, hold the controls (winch in one hand, tilt in the other; for affect of course). Moved a couple of car bodies that had at best questionable rubber devices formerly known as tires, etc. Bed height isn't much different than the bed of a 4x4 2500. Doesn't matter much from the cab with the forks on anyhow.

Though it hasn't mattered to me (yet) the fixed section means I can put something there (implement, skid steer, etc) and then tilt the trailer back down to load the rest.

Sounds like a very nice trailer!!

What's something like that cost?

 

[fried1765]

I壇 like to see the average joe come up with an accurate weight doing that method. Itç—´ stupid and a recipe for disaster IMO. It is possible to do right but go look at another thread on here if you think people are even remotely smart enough to do that. Heck I know adults that can稚 figure the area of a rectangle. At least go to a real scale if you want to cut your loading that close. Even if you are capable of doing the bathroom scale method you are still assuming the scale is accurate which it probably isn稚 and youæ±*e using the jack weight which is more than the hitch weight.

Why would you assume that a Chinese bathroom scale reading 300 pounds would be less accurate than a Chinese tongue weight scale reading 1200 pounds?

Why would you assume that the bathroom scale would be placed at the jack position?
Bathroom scale method - measured under the coupler...same as tongue weight scale.

Agreed -- some might not be academically capable with the bathroom scale method...those folks should buy a tongue weight scale, and not chew gum while trying to use it.

The tongue weight does not need to be measured every time you use your trailer. If you carry basically the same load, in basically the same trailer position, you may not need to measure tongue weight more than once.

Tongue weight does not need to be 100% accurate, but 90%+ would be satisfactory, and the bathroom scale method will do better than that.