Dangerous times even in small town

[/pine]

I was thinking this is one of the better replies in this thread,after seeing where your from,I understand why.

They hold them that way because that's how they are in the box...!

 

[k0ua]

Shoot first, ask questions later. And, always have a backup gun, Howitzer or rocket launcher just in case things go from really bad to end of days.
Better yet, don't go near the Walmarts to begin with, they're just double trouble and may sell enough ammo that you'll be outgunned on any given day in any given town, city or backwater. Evil is everywhere and the World has sharp edges. Don't fall of one of the edges when wandering around looking for trouble; you might just find it. As Chris Rock said; 'every bullet should cost $5,000!'

Thankfully I make my own for much much less!
https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/rural-living/296858-lets-reload-some-ammo.html?highlight=ammo

 

[kenmac]

I believe part of morrisL's feelings is even if you're justified under law to shoot someone in self defense, it's better to be used as an absolute last resort because you knew you're life was in immediate danger.

Never had someone break into my home but if someone did and for various reasons if I don't have to go to the threat, I wouldn't.

I think pretty much around these parts, all you have to claim is I was in fear if my life.
At any rate, It won't relieve you from a civil suit. Unless, you are charged by the DA and a judge rules the shooting as justified

I know a guy that has been going through a civil suit for a couple yrs now. It came from him having to shoot someone .
He was cleared by the DA's office (ruled justified)

 

[ultrarunner]

Ultrarunner. It was probably just a miscommunication. He might have said bullet "resistant".

Not sure... but I think the point was if repeatedly fired in the same spot the resistance diminishes with each impact.

I know my brother thought he was fully protected inside the 4x6 booth... but, it is good he didn't open the door at the point of a gun because then where would he be?

As for Dad... reflecting... he said his having a gun would not have helped... the robber got the drop on him... robber standing, Dad sitting... by the time Dad would have drawn it would have been too late... deflecting the shooter's arm at close range was what saved him from getting shot and having the gun jam before emptied did too...

Like just about everyone his age... he had military experience. Dad later did a stint working as a personal body guard during his fight days.... met some very nice Headliners as he called them... also was a Nevada Special Deputy... but always felt too many with pistols had a false sense of security... Dad said one of the nicest and most gracious people he ever worked for was Lena Horn... when the movie the Body Guard came out we couldn't help but make comparisons.

Still remember Dad taking us to Chinese New Year in San Francisco as kids... we begged him to go. Anyway, we were in China Town and a pick pocket tried to grab Dad's wallet... the guy never had a chance... even being long retired from the ring he could still throw a punch...

On the other hand... if you are disadvantage... a handgun and knowing how to use one can certainly be an equalizer...

Most of my retired Leo friends have never drawn let alone fried on duty... just having it was sufficient.

 

[KennyG]

Just curious if there is a single instance when a person who has a legal license to carry a concealed weapon used it to commit crimes against others? Anti gun people seem to say this rather frequently, but from what I know, they seem to be the most law abiding people in the country.

Not sure how valid it was but there was a study a few years ago that concluded that concealed carry permit holders are just about as likely to commit crimes as police officers.

 

[Bocephous]

You might reconsider using a handgun on a bear. I read a study (years ago) of 57 encounters between someone with a handgun vs. a bear. All 57 people were killed-- and the bear was often killed but not before doing in the human.

I carry "bear spray" when on the property while bears are roaming around. It is a close-in defense only, as it has limited range. But I would not hesitate to use it compared to being very leery of using a handgun ...

That is a good point (semi-auto handgun being less than ideal for black bear) that hadn't escaped me, but it is what I normally carry, hollowpoints alternated with FMJ in the magazine.

The bear spray is a good idea that I hadn't considered, and would work well on non-windy days, which are kind of rare at my home. I've seen the effects of OC used outdoors in the wind; if the wind is right, the person using it is good. If not, they are left as defenseless as the target. It has worked out all right at work so far, as there are usually multiple officers on scene by the time it is used.

 

[Sigarms]

I think pretty much around these parts, all you have to claim is I was in fear if my life.

If you shoot someone who has family that has money and wants to pursue it, it will still cost you, which is why you better ensure you had reason to believe your life was in danger.

How much did it cost the guy you know going theorugh a civil suit?

 

[Jchonline]

If you shoot someone who has family that has money and wants to pursue it, it will still cost you, which is why you better ensure you had reason to believe your life was in danger.

How much did it cost the guy you know going theorugh a civil suit?

It depends on the state and the law. Castle doctrine usually absolves any criminal or civil prosecution if the shooting meets the law. If you are outside your home, then deadly force laws usually apply. In this case you can be sued in civil court even if you are criminally absolved.

Everyone who owns a firearm needs to become acutely familiar with their state’s laws for the use of deadly force both in and out of the home. Don’t assume you know, read the law.

 

[kenmac]

If you shoot someone who has family that has money and wants to pursue it, it will still cost you, which is why you better ensure you had reason to believe your life was in danger.

How much did it cost the guy you know going theorugh a civil suit?

The very reason I bought insurance from USCCA.

His case is still on going. His lawyer has it put off, and then the other guy's lawyer has it put off.
He has paid thousands in legal fees, but none yet to the guy he shot

 

[Jchonline]

That is a good point (semi-auto handgun being less than ideal for black bear) that hadn't escaped me, but it is what I normally carry, hollowpoints alternated with FMJ in the magazine.

The bear spray is a good idea that I hadn't considered, and would work well on non-windy days, which are kind of rare at my home. I've seen the effects of OC used outdoors in the wind; if the wind is right, the person using it is good. If not, they are left as defenseless as the target. It has worked out all right at work so far, as there are usually multiple officers on scene by the time it is used.

I updated my research on this topic last year. There is lots of bad media information surrounding bear spray and its effectiveness. In general it is a good deterrent for a bear that isn’t aggressive (ie one that is not defending cubs or wants to eat you). It is much less effective against aggressive bears. There have been multiple case studies of aggressive bears running right through bear spray and mauling a human victim. Firearms are also not without unsuccessful attempts. Most of these were due to operator issues (no round in chamber of firearm, poor marksmanship, firearm not accessible under duress ie in a backpack, or someone used bear spray and had no time left to pull their firearm before the bear was on them). None that I saw were lack of terminal ballistics which is what we all like to tout...you need a massive caliber. It is always better to put shots on target vs missing. That said you also need penetrating rounds (hollow points are useless) for animals with thick hide and muscle structure like a bear.

It all boils down to what you take responsibility for. If you carry a firearm, then you must train with it often, and in stressful situations.

We carry both bear spray and firearms, but I do understand everyone has to make their own choice. I just don’t want anyone believing this “bear spray is more effective than firearms” stuff...because case studies shows it is not true. If you want the articles sources I can dig them up, just PM me.