Update on RX6010 with low hours motor failure

[the old grind]

@finn1- great post! Thanks for the education.:thumbsup:

Ditto. :thumbsup:

SR, exactly what you said. :thumbsup:

 

[ON84]

Just an observation:
The Kioti Rep and Dealer Rep traveled to view the OP's tractor. This tells me that Kioti was open to extending the warranty coverage or at least to offer assistance. My guess is that after viewing the OP's tractor they concluded the damage was caused by the owner, not a manufacturing defect.

This thread reminds me of the saga from the TBN member "Landedakioti".

Thanks Finn1 for a great explanation and thanks CoyoteMachine for cutting through the fog.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

There's no joke here, and no one is drinking any Kool-Aid, except maybe you.
Yes, anyone can share an opinion here, even if it's wrong. In the case of this OP he chose to limit details and brand bash because he wants what he wants and thinks that because of low hours AND off warranty someone other than him should pay for his blown engine. That is completely off base and wrongheaded. IF he had a viable case with Kioti they would have already taken care of the situation. I know this for a fact. I've worked closely with some OPs in other cases where an engine was blown. Each case is different and this OP stated he was turned down. Kioti wouldn't just turn a customer away for no reason.

Where is it stated that it couldn't happen to XYZ brand? Show us something to backup your absolutely ludicrous statement!!

What is additionally wrong is the OP's and seemingly your thinking that an OP can come on TBN and say he's going to be a 'brand detractor' because the brand won't give him exactly what he wants. It's NOT OK and is blatantly adverse to the rules of TBN. To paraphrase the 'contract with TBN' that all of us consented to when we signed onto the site; is that none of us can brand/manufacturer bash here for numerous reasons. Read it over- for next time you want to call people out about something that you are totally wrong about.

BTW, LOL:confused3:

Another Kioti owner response... I rest my case! lol

SR

 

[Jchonline]

This has been a very entertaining and informative thread to watch! So much great engine information from experienced members! Lots of investigative processes in you all’s failure proposals. I for one have enjoyed the dialogue, even if heated at times.

My take is that Kioti did the right thing by reviewing the case, and likely found it to be user error. This is and will always be a hard pill for any owner to swallow. It is a pity we didnt get more detailed information so these great minds could piece together the true failure scenario!

 

[ch1ch2]

This has been a very entertaining and informative thread to watch! So much great engine information from experienced members! Lots of investigative processes in you all’s failure proposals. I for one have enjoyed the dialogue, even if heated at times.

My take is that Kioti did the right thing by reviewing the case, and likely found it to be user error. This is and will always be a hard pill for any owner to swallow. It is a pity we didnt get more detailed information so these great minds could piece together the true failure scenario!

Ditto

 

[xcgreene]

Another Kioti owner response... I rest my case! lol

SR

If folks didn't defend what they believe in, by looking for facts, where would that leave us? If more people were defending kioti who didn't own a kioti, I'm not sure I would put as great of value in their statements. I have two kiotis, and a JD, I will defend Old JD and New Kioti, because I know from experience they are worth defending. I understand the criticism of folks defending a sour purchase, unable to admit defeat, but I don't think that's the case here.

I hate seeing a decent brand being painted as bad, by a poor source. I will promote a business that I like, with the intention of that business continuing to grow and offer me more products that I like. And if a problem surfaces within that brand I like, I want to know exactly what the problem is and bring it to light so it may be fixed. If we can't get accurate information from someone complaining, its difficult to use, and is of negative value.

 

[woolyAcres]

Just an observation:
The Kioti Rep and Dealer Rep traveled to view the OP's tractor.

This is the at least the second time someone has claimed that Kioti looked at this tractor. Can you provide a link to where the OP said this? I can't seem to find this. At best I've found that Kioti rejected his claim. It seems one possible reason could be that it was out of warranty. Simple as that. I'd like to see where the OP explained that Kioti actually looked at the tractor.

 

[ON84]

WoolyAcres:
I was relying on the statement by Trillium Farm in this thread.
If this is not the case, I apologize.
"But in the beginning he said that the dealer went to Kioti which sent a field rep to investigate and it was upon this investigation, where the rep & the dealer were present, but not the OP I guess, that the claim was rejected. I can only see one reason for the rejection and that is that it was not a manufacturing flaw."

 

[ritcheyvs]

...When the coolant level is low, the water pump still forces coolant into the head (the thermostat is the main system restriction in most cases), and the coolant temperature may be fine, but as soon as the engine is shut down, the coolant runs to the bottom of the radiator and lower part of the engine crankcase. ...

I would take issue with one aspect of this explanation. The engine cooling passages should always be completely full of coolant, engine running or stopped. Unlike the oil. the coolant should not not drain out of the upper parts of the engine when the engine is shut down. There is nowhere for it to go. When the coolant gets more than a little low (e.g. big air bubble in cooling system) the water pump does not generate enough pressure to force coolant back into the head passages. And that's when bad things happen as finn1 describes.

 

[Industrial Toys]

21 pages in and the speculatin goes on. Funny!

When the OP disappears, clearly someone should be appointed to fill that position. Best, someone off the street with no prior knowledge or prejudcie.

Never let the facts get in the way of a good thread.