Ordered a snow plow, questions.

[450]

Pushing some snow

 

[travlitt]

Actually, in 4x4, your brakes should act on all 4 tires.

You might get some engine brake on all 4 tires. No mechanical breaks unless you have mechanical breaks on the front wheels.

 

[grsthegreat]

The thing i found with my plow, i need chains on all 4 tires or the tractor will be forced opposite to direction of pushing with blade turned. Have used plow for 8 seasons now, with chains . No more issues. But my quick attach plow does not have any scain, and it works great.

 

[LouNY]

You might get some engine brake on all 4 tires. No mechanical breaks unless you have mechanical breaks on the front wheels.

In 4wd the brakes will indirectly act on the front axle,
my 8050 and I assume yours when you apply both brakes at one time it will engage the 4wd,
as do most of the larger 4wd tractors with electrical activation of the front axle.

 

[Hombre]

I have a 2-1/2 mile private road to plow in Eastern Washington (similar terrain and weather to that of Goldendale). I had at one time planned to use my Branson for plowing. I don't know how steep your road is, but mine has some pretty steep sections. Under certain conditions when there is packed snow that has partially thawed and turned back to ice, my Branson won't even make it up the hills in 4 wheel drive with the FEL raised, and will scare the livnig **** out you sliding out of control down the hills. Just not enough traction with the R4 tires. If it is just fresh snow it goes OK, but I am still limited with how much snow I can push with the FEL (I know that isn't a plow, but I am sure I couldn't push all that much with a plow, especially up hill). If I wanted to use it for plowing snow over a few inches deep I would definately have to install chains all around. I have found my 4 wheel drive truck (with 4 chains on) and plow works much better in most circumstances than my tractor ever would. One would have to work at getting my truck stuck, and I can go much faster than I could with the tractor. I still use the Branson and the FEL to carry snow away when the drifts get too deep to plow. (We have had 4 foot deep drifts a couple times). I have given up on the idea of buying a plow for the tractor. I do wish I had a snow blower for the Branson though. Cause at times the snow gets so deep the plow has nowhere to throw the snow.
We just got a bunch of snow and I am on my way out to plow.

That's been my experience with the R4's as well. Can't even push the snowblower up a couple of the hills on my drive, although they are pretty short "hills". Even with rear chains it's limited. I do not like these R4 tires at all. I'm chained on all fours even to operated the blower (it's 84inch) and I can do pretty well. If the front plow will work at least as well as I could with the back blade then I'll be o.k. with that.

 

[LD1]

You might get some engine brake on all 4 tires. No mechanical breaks unless you have mechanical breaks on the front wheels.

You don't physically have to have brakes on a wheel for you to have braking ability. Why is this a hard concept to understand?

2wd = rear axle is the only one with ability to stop tractor.
4wd = BOTH axles have braking ability

 

[Cougsfan]

Chains do sound like a good investment if you are going to be doing much in the snow and ice.

 

[PILOON]

Perhaps I'm in error but my understanding is most tractors, only have rear brakes.
However with CUT's when in 4WD your engine compression acts like a braking due to engine compression.
I would never drive downhill unless I'm in 4WD.
That's from experience. ( LOL, stained shorts.)

 

[ptsg]

Most tractors only have rear brakes, but what happens when you engage 4WD? All the 4 wheels are locked together since there is not center diff on tractor, then the brakes will act on all 4 wheels, as long as the 4 wheels are on the ground of course.

 

[atsah]

Most tractors only have rear brakes, but what happens when you engage 4WD? All the 4 wheels are locked together since there is not center diff on tractor, then the brakes will act on all 4 wheels, as long as the 4 wheels are on the ground of course.

Technically, it's engine braking more than anything and most 4x4 tractors don't put power to both front wheels.

 

[LouNY]

If you find a stretch of slippery snow or ice,
in 4wd if you can get your range transmission in neutral and you apply both of your brakes hard you will see both of your front tires skid if your rears do.
Those with gear transmissions can do this by simply pushing the clutch and applying the brakes hard enough to skid your tires you will see all 4 tires skid.

 

[ruffdog]

You don't physically have to have brakes on a wheel for you to have braking ability. Why is this a hard concept to understand?

2wd = rear axle is the only one with ability to stop tractor.
4wd = BOTH axles have braking ability

More reading on this same subject:

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/owning-operating/226484-does-4-wheel-drive-4-a.html

 

[atsah]

In 4x4 I can see it acting like a break because the driveshaft is engaged but it's not really a brake.

 

[ptsg]

In 4x4 I can see it acting like a break because the driveshaft is engaged but it's not really a brake.

Yet it brakes at all 4 wheels. You don't need to have a brake for each wheel to make it stop...

Why tractors with electric actuated 4wd will engage the 4wd automatically every time you hit the brakes? Probably because it actually brakes on all wheels.

 

[LD1]

Technically, it's engine braking more than anything and most 4x4 tractors don't put power to both front wheels.

In 4x4 I can see it acting like a break because the driveshaft is engaged but it's not really a brake.

No, its mot engine braking. Its mechanical braking.

A brake doesnt have to be on each wheel to accomplish 4 wheel braking. Wherever the brake(s) are in the system....if applied....everything that is mechanically connected to them is going to feel the effects of the brakes.

In 4wd....that INCLUDES the front wheels.

I dont know why this is such a hard concept to understand......I mean if you want to get technical....most modern tractors dont even have rear wheel brakes. They are inboard and brake the axle shaft....which in turn brakes the wheel....which in turn brakes the tire that is in contact with the ground.

In 4wd....braking the rear axle, which brakes the output shaft of the transmission/input shaft of rear axle....which in turn brakes the front driveshaft....which in turn brakes the front axles....etc.

Also worthy note....look at some mud/rock crawler trucks.....rockwell axles I think.....no outboard brakes. But there is a pinion brake on the drive shaft. And guess what....it brakes the wheels....

 

[PILOON]

To have front brakes you would need either hydraulic lines or rods/cables going to each wheel.
For sure no CUTs have frt brakes that I know of.

 

[grsthegreat]

Im really confused. If a tractor doesnt have actual wheel brakes, then how can i use individual rear wheel brakes on my dk45 or on my older jd870..


update. I just read an older post fron LD1 explaning how tractor differentials work and its now all coming together. The brakes on my tractor are internal on rear drive shafts, so i can see how i can effect braking on front wheels if BOTH petals are pressed, but not if i only press One side of my split brake system. Makes sence to me now.

 

[ruffdog]

Here is one example of brakes acting on "un-braked" wheels:

I had a 1991 Jeep Wrangler that did not have a modern anti-lock braking system. It was from the era that safe brakes meant hardly no rear brakes. On icy pavement, light braking meant the front wheels were locked up and the rears were far from slowing down because of the proportioning valve. So, once you put the Jeep in 4x4, you now tied the front wheels to the back and all wheels now have the same braking action. Now, the fronts can't skid without the rears skidding and I have equal brakes on BOTH ends.

 

[LouNY]

To have front brakes you would need either hydraulic lines or rods/cables going to each wheel.
For sure no CUTs have frt brakes that I know of.

Many also do not have rods/cables going to the rear wheels,
before planetary reductions became popular the brakes where mounted on the bull gears.
Not even on the axles.

 

[atsah]

No, its mot engine braking. Its mechanical braking.

A brake doesnt have to be on each wheel to accomplish 4 wheel braking. Wherever the brake(s) are in the system....if applied....everything that is mechanically connected to them is going to feel the effects of the brakes.

In 4wd....that INCLUDES the front wheels.

I dont know why this is such a hard concept to understand......I mean if you want to get technical....most modern tractors dont even have rear wheel brakes. They are inboard and brake the axle shaft....which in turn brakes the wheel....which in turn brakes the tire that is in contact with the ground.

In 4wd....braking the rear axle, which brakes the output shaft of the transmission/input shaft of rear axle....which in turn brakes the front driveshaft....which in turn brakes the front axles....etc.

Also worthy note....look at some mud/rock crawler trucks.....rockwell axles I think.....no outboard brakes. But there is a pinion brake on the drive shaft. And guess what....it brakes the wheels....

I completely understand what you are saying but tractors do not have front brakes. The drive line acts like a break when in 4X4, I get it..