Big cities are dying. This should shock you.

IXLR8 · Mar 21, 2019

atsah said:
I respectfully disagree. I have watched three family members self destruct from opioid addiction and so far two have died because of it. People get hooked on it and transition to street drugs then it's over.

I agree with you. I saw a report where pain meds were prescribed, person got hooked. Pain meds were $25/pill, they discovered street heroin was $3/shot.... Where do you think folks are going to get pain relief? It is all down hill from there.

Zerk · Mar 21, 2019

People are going to drink them self to death or whatever else.

I am also goign to be cold, if they want to kill themselves, it shouldn't interfere with people who need the meds.

Opoids are going to burn out. Your friends and relatives with emotional problems are not magically going to love life.

With the internet and computers pharmacies and hospitals are connected. Hopefully some people are more cautious about taking opoids, that know people that have died. But they were taking crack and herion before this. Parents hopefully will hide their stash from their kids.

People have been taking opoids for a long time. Why did it blow up into epidemic now, is the better question? What is wrong with these peoples's lives? I know someone with kid with an issue. Maybe the problem is they don't have enough problems. Upper middle class, kid never wanted. I am not taking rich. But kids these days don't work and their parents cuddle them. Look how people have become wusses and over sensitive?

People can't get their meds cause people are taking them recreationally. Think of the children. Well your kids right.

Zerk · Mar 21, 2019

IXLR8 said:
I agree with you. I saw a report where pain meds were prescribed, person got hooked. Pain meds were $25/pill, they discovered street heroin was $3/shot.... Where do you think folks are going to get pain relief? It is all down hill from there.

That is true, about costs. People start out on Jack Daniels or Gray Goose, end up drinking rot gut vodka to.

Its not about pain relief. They move on to herion cause it feeds their addiction. Which they started cause they like the feelings. I am understanding they were offered their first drink, cause they needed it for pain. More sympathetic than someone who started snorting coke at a party. But at some point they did it cause they liked the feeling.

I do agree they were over prescribed. Not so much that were issued, but they amounts they said to take. The dosages were high in many cases. But again people have been taking them for years with not problems. Those people will be taking some other drug next or drinking themselves to death.

Zerk · Mar 21, 2019

Bigfoot62 said:
Saw the results of a poll on the news this morning,

"41% of New York City's residents say that they can't afford to live there any longer."

I can't afford to live in Beverly Hills.

Some of the problem is people are buying bigger houses. Cracks me up when people say you could live off so little money inthe 70s or afford to buy a car with no AC, a radio, and not much else.

Homes had a TV, a phone, 1-2 cars, 1 bathroom, and half the size of some people. Imagine how much money you had if you had no cell or internet bill, cheapest cable package, and an economy car, that was still nicer that 40 years ago.

We buy lots of crap. I like crap too.

Not saying I don't thing some things have gone up, like land. Have to wonder what will happen to all these mini mansion. Will land have a bubble? I dunno maybe just get divided up into mini mansions on postage size lots.

dragoneggs · Mar 22, 2019

Goo... thanks again for posting this documentary. I finally got a chance to watch it in its entirety with my wife tonight. Very powerful and no exaggeration. I have seen it and especially in the last 10 years deteriorating. I was born and raised in Seattle and outlying areas. Definitely disheartening and disgusting. The Rhode Island model and using McNeil Island as a hub is interesting.

Funny, well not funny... how there seems to be a recurring theme locally and in the US in urban areas about not enforcing laws... whether it be drugs, borders, whatever... and then thinking if we continue to relax the law or enforcement, things will get better. :confused3:

Someone please explain 'sanctuary cities'. WTF!

goeduck · Mar 22, 2019

dragoneggs said:
Funny, well not funny... how there seems to be a recurring theme locally and in the US in urban areas about not enforcing laws... whether it be drugs, borders, whatever... and then thinking if we continue to relax the law or enforcement, things will get better. :confused3:

Someone please explain 'sanctuary cities'. WTF!

Right. I would think the bleeding heart city politicians telling those cops not to enforce the laws would be...... Obstructing Justice. I do not understand how cops can be told not to enforce laws.... I understand it happens but it does not compute. And they are not enforcing laws on the very people that need the discipline and structure that laws provide.

dragoneggs · Mar 22, 2019

goeduck said:
Right. I would think the bleeding heart city politicians telling those cops not to enforce the laws would be...... Obstructing Justice. I do not understand how cops can be told not to enforce laws.... I understand it happens but it does not compute. And they are not enforcing laws on the very people that need the discipline and structure that laws provide.

Nor do I understand. Seems politics are above the law these days.

fjcruiser · Mar 26, 2019

My wife and I watched this the other night. Had a friend email it to me.
1st off, props to the news station for reporting a story in this manner. Did this actually play "on air"? I can't imagine one of our local news stations reporting in this manner (Portland) . It would be too "intolerant/uncompassionate/mean".
We live about an hour from Portland. We see the same slums when we drive into town. We are starting to see more and more of the rv's moving out toward the rural communities. They park along side the road for a few days until they get stickered by the police, then move a few hundred yards and park for a few more days.
It is quite an epidemic all the way around. Look at the governors of these two states. Legislation starts at the top and works it way down. No wonder the problem is out of control.

goeduck · Mar 27, 2019

fjcruiser said:
My wife and I watched this the other night. Had a friend email it to me.
1st off, props to the news station for reporting a story in this manner. Did this actually play "on air"? I can't imagine one of our local news stations reporting in this manner (Portland) . It would be too "intolerant/uncompassionate/mean".
We live about an hour from Portland. We see the same slums when we drive into town. We are starting to see more and more of the rv's moving out toward the rural communities. They park along side the road for a few days until they get stickered by the police, then move a few hundred yards and park for a few more days.
It is quite an epidemic all the way around. Look at the governors of these two states. Legislation starts at the top and works it way down. No wonder the problem is out of control.

It aired last Saturday and Sunday on local ABC channel 4. The last time I was in Seattle there was trash blowing down the streets from the drug dens where these people wallow in filth. As the documentary says, this is much more of a drug problem than an innocent person homeless problem. Sure there are those innocent people out there and we need to help them and those with mental issues. But those seem to be fewer than the majority that are drug users. As these drug den tents move out into the rural areas I am even seeing smoke stacks on some of them. Ridiculous pampering of drug use by our government officials who are obstructing justice by telling the cops not to enforce laws.