why tym tractors loader lift rateings so much better than jd?

[moonmonkey]

looking at a t234 tym tractor, its 25 hp and the fel is rated at 1380lbs lift at the pin,with over 2000lbs breakout force,, compareing it to many john deere models, it beats their loader rateings ,on the green tractors on models with over 35 hp,, im baffled . Im looking at used jd models mostly, because they cost alot more than the tym. Im looking for a tractor that is light enough not to crush sprinkler lines and rut residential lawns (badly), but still be able to pull a 5' box blade,and dig out my ditch line. I have a 1963 ford 4000 now,its to big and heavy for my custemers yards.

 

[goeduck]

Ratings are hard to compare. Some companies are conservative, others tweak their capacities to create sales. Who is better in the long run, that will continue to be debated.

 

[pete-mi]

One thought is some of the JD compacts use aluminum rear end housings rather than cast. Maybe they set the loaders to lift less so the rear end of the tractor stays on the ground better.

 

[mcfarmall]

JD 3038e has a die-cast aluminum rear end. Can barely lift a full bucket of soil with a brush cutter as counterweight.

 

[kthompson]

Not sure which of the 3000 series my brother in law owns but last year on visiting ran it some and was very impressed with the tractor on fel and pulling. My fel experience has been on much larger JD, a 5525.

I do find some ratings interesting on fel as was looking for a tractor with suitable fel and hydro this spring myself to add to hay work. Short story for my need failed at it but interesting to see the fel capacity some tractors gave and were lighter than the JD and Kubota are. Now does JD and Kubota run weaker front axles? Lighter weight tractors? Weaker hyd systems? Or has been said dependable info?

 

[Oldoak]

Simply put, no two manufacturers have identically designed, engineered, and built tractors. Therefore tractors in the same class but different manufacturers will never have the same performance specification values.

 

[mikester]

looking at a t234 tym tractor, its 25 hp and the fel is rated at 1380lbs lift at the pin,with over 2000lbs breakout force,, compareing it to many john deere models, it beats their loader rateings ,on the green tractors on models with over 35 hp,, im baffled . Im looking at used jd models mostly, because they cost alot more than the tym. Im looking for a tractor that is light enough not to crush sprinkler lines and rut residential lawns (badly), but still be able to pull a 5' box blade,and dig out my ditch line. I have a 1963 ford 4000 now,its to big and heavy for my custemers yards.

Id ask for a demo machine and forget the specs comparison until after you have operated the machines. Heres what counts:
Can you operate two functions smoothly and easily?
Whats the loader cycle time?
Time to raise boom to full height? Max height?
Time to curl and dump the bucket? Max dump height?
Max lift capacity 20-30 inches in front of pin?

Lift capacity at the pins is kinda useless in the real world as you generally want to lift a full bucket or a pallet of stuff on forks. At the end of the day its what you can do with the machine and how long it takes to do it.

Light machines and heavy lift capacities dont work well together. Without the backhoe or any attachments on my M59 the rear wheels suddenly get pretty light carrying full pallets of sod.

 

[KennyG]

Every machine is designed with a balance between weight, power and lift capacity. My 2 series John Deere doesn't have a lot of lift capacity but it will easily lift the rear tires without counterbalance. It would be easy enough to have designed it with a lot more lift capability but that would have made it even easier for inexperienced users to get into a lot of trouble.

As has been noted before, John Deere small tractors tend to be a little lighter than some other machines with similar power. That's an advantage is some situations (mowing) and not in others.

 

[art]

Do some dedicated exploring! Did you know that some manufacturers loaders lift more then the front axle of the tractor is rated to carry!!!

 

[ruffdog]

How far the loader is ahead of the front axle (fulcrum) greatly affects how light the rear would get. If the front axle is mounted much more forward, then maneuverability suffers. Look at the entire package vs just looking at one number.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Do some dedicated exploring! Did you know that some manufacturers loaders lift more then the front axle of the tractor is rated to carry!!!

SOME? I bet MOST will lift more than the front axle is rated for.

SR

 

[rScotty]

looking at a t234 tym tractor, its 25 hp and the fel is rated at 1380lbs lift at the pin,with over 2000lbs breakout force,, compareing it to many john deere models, it beats their loader rateings ,on the green tractors on models with over 35 hp,, im baffled

Ah shuck, moonmonky - you've triggered it now.....

You and lots of others, too. Best to just take loader specs with a grain of salt. Your common sense will tell you that in real world use, most loaders are going to perform pretty much the same.

There aren't any accepted standards for measuring loader performance - and it is rare for anyone to test it for themselves - so the only restraints on the advertising department would be self imposed.....
I don't know about your perceptions, but for me the next meek and conservative advertising department I see will be the first one ever.

And nobody even bothers to mention the important things about loader lift: Things like just how much counterweight is required?
How is the loader mounted? Does it have a full length frame - That's huge.
Along with mounting is the distrance from tractor nose to bucket edge. Is the loader a little too long or too close to the tractor?
Does it have optional auto-leveling?
Does it have hydraulic "bounce compensation" for driving with a load in the bucket. Sometimes called Comfort Ride?
How is the side stability at at full lift?
How does the loader visibility compare to the competition?
How delicate is the loader control at very low flows? < --- BTW, that's hugely important & rarely discussed. Really good loader valves seem to cost a LOT more than cheap ones.
Here's another thing never discussed: How does the tractor behave when turning sharply with a load in the bucket? How stable is it? Does it tear up the ground in 4wd?
Can you lean in the seat enough to get an idea of what the edge of the bucket is doing?
How instinctive is it to keep the bucket level on the ground?
What about changing buckets? Is it quick & easy to do?

There's a lot more to loaders than the advertising department's lift spec.
rScotty

 

[Maka]

looking at a t234 tym tractor, its 25 hp and the fel is rated at 1380lbs lift at the pin,with over 2000lbs breakout force,, compareing it to many john deere models, it beats their loader rateings ,on the green tractors on models with over 35 hp,, im baffled . Im looking at used jd models mostly, because they cost alot more than the tym. Im looking for a tractor that is light enough not to crush sprinkler lines and rut residential lawns (badly), but still be able to pull a 5' box blade,and dig out my ditch line. I have a 1963 ford 4000 now,its to big and heavy for my custemers yards.

If you look at the TYM 234/264 its front axle is 3 times the size of a 3032/3038E. The 3032/3038E is a very low spec tractor with a front axle the diameter of my wrist and with a very light rear end. It only lifts approx. 1180lbs and at only about 86". Go to the "R" series and then you will see a different story but also a much higher price. TYM also manufacturers their own loaders and matched to the tractor they are mounted to.

 

[TractorGuy]

TYM specifications and pricing is very attractive. My main concern is parts availability.

 

[nards444]

TYM specifications and pricing is very attractive. My main concern is parts availability.

Kind of what I am looking at as well, as they out spec pretty much everything, but dealers and parts aren't as available, But when you are comparing prices TYM is 30% cheaper or sometimes more, for by all accounts as good as a tractor, it might be to good to pass up. I mean for a loader front blower and cab with heat and ac I get a 39hp or 47 hp for depending on how I finance for 30 -34k. In comparison the kubota 2650 is 30k, and John deere 3033 was like 38k, dont think I can justify that.

 

[chevy]

I recently found the same thing when I was shopping for a tractor with a higher loader lift capacity. I found most of the information I was looking for on different tractors was through youtube videos. I was able to see tractors in real world use.

 

[rScotty]

Kind of what I am looking at as well, as they out spec pretty much everything, but dealers and parts aren't as available, But when you are comparing prices TYM is 30% cheaper or sometimes more, for by all accounts as good as a tractor, it might be to good to pass up. I mean for a loader front blower and cab with heat and ac I get a 39hp or 47 hp for depending on how I finance for 30 -34k. In comparison the kubota 2650 is 30k, and John deere 3033 was like 38k, dont think I can justify that.

Nards, your question is a good one, and we see it a lot on TBN. But let me ask it back - why do you think some brands are more expensive than others?

I'd like to believe they are just as good... who wouldn't? Just judging from the questions raised on the TYM forum here on TractorByNet, I don't see how you can say "by all accounts as good as" JD or Kubota. Maybe by some accounts by certainly not by all. When I look at the TYM formum there seem to be lots of questions about where to get parts and even where to find something as simple as parts diagrams. I don't honestly know which one bothers me - needing parts or not being able to get them.
What "good as" accounts are you looking at? I don't see them.
BTW, the messages I'm looking at are at:
https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/tym-tractors/
rScotty

 

[Industrial Toys]

I found that our JD 6200 has the reliefs set very conservatively. Quite annoying at times, when you drive into a pile and it won't lift without backing up a bit. But broken axles and stuff is annoying too.

 

[TractorNH]

TYM specifications and pricing is very attractive. My main concern is parts availability.

Besides TYM building tractors under their own lablel they also build tractors for Mahindra and Rural King as well. Many of the base tractors across the three brands are identical. The differences are engines and what each brand includes as standard equipment. They also have different lift capacities.

Example, a TYM T554 is the same as an RK55 and a Mahindra 2555 or 2655. They build A LOT of tractors so while getting the parts may take longer depending on distribution channels, the parts should BE available.

 

[nards444]

Nards, your question is a good one, and we see it a lot on TBN. But let me ask it back - why do you think some brands are more expensive than others?

I'd like to believe they are just as good... who wouldn't? Just judging from the questions raised on the TYM forum here on TractorByNet, I don't see how you can say "by all accounts as good as" JD or Kubota. Maybe by some accounts by certainly not by all. When I look at the TYM formum there seem to be lots of questions about where to get parts and even where to find something as simple as parts diagrams. I don't honestly know which one bothers me - needing parts or not being able to get them.
What "good as" accounts are you looking at? I don't see them.
BTW, the messages I'm looking at are at:
https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/tym-tractors/
rScotty

All accounts as in use and quality. I'm not sold on TYM yet to be up front, by I also understand that TYM has been making parts for orange and green and whole tractors for other names for decades. Why things cost more, well sometimes you get what you pay for, sometimes its brand recognition. I mean you pay 120 bucks for a pair nikes that cost 10 bucks to make, are they better than the $70 Reeboks, doubtful, but Nike has spent billions on their name and keep doing so, so they want a return and then some. So while somethings are quality and your paying for that, on a certain level you are also paying for a name.

Im still in the air while TYM is a thought but orange and green are not, frankly for me there is a better use of dollars for me and that fact that while under warranty its not my problem anyways.