Chucke2009

[stuckmotor]

Johnny Cash used to sing a song called, The One on the Right is on the Left. It was about the disaster that befell a folk group when it turned political. I thought about that song when Chucke started ranting about politics.

 

[MinnesotaDaveChalmers]

The video I posted on the first page features Jonathan Haidt speaking among other things, a reaction against safe spaces and groupthink to the rise of "dangerous" schools where students will be exposed to diversity of thought. One of my friends is a superintendent of schools here in MN and normally when we talk shop, I hear about management issues, but I think I'll ask her about freedom of speech and sharing unpopular opinions.

That said, I don't rely on Lance to do my thinking either.

Safe spaces breed intolerance in my experience.

Here's some good stuff to talk about with your friend
Democratic professors outnumber Republicans 10 to 1: Study - Washington Times

 

[rgr33]

Mark and everybnody else who wants to string Lance up,

It is okay to have diversity of thought--after all that is the risk of free speech that we'll hear something we don't agree with. Automatically turning your back on somebody because of a lack of shared opinion shuts down discussion and increasingly leads to intolerant totalitarian group think where outliers and nonconformists are persecuted in various ways beginning with shunning. Your company sponsored Lance to drive sales, and Lance as a person is entitled to an opinion. If everybody bails because we cannot agree on everything or cannot abide hearing something disagreeable, then none of us would have any customers, friends, or relatives. Bailing is not the path going forward for those in support of freedom of speech.

I always enjoy your posts Eric, and I do support freedom of speech and diversity of opinions. But speaking for myself here, there are some ideas I won't tolerate or entertain, hate, racism, cruelty to animals, child ****, and violence to helpless people being among them.

It痴 pretty clear that Chucke doesn稚 share your opinion on diversity of thought, right down to reading helpful comments on farm equipment repair.

 

[sandfs]

"Controlled speech", "banned speech", "unacceptable speech", those all exist.. Free speech or freedom of speech is a long gone concept. In reality it just isn't there anymore. Gone.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

I always enjoy your posts Eric, and I do support freedom of speech and diversity of opinions. But speaking for myself here, there are some ideas I won't tolerate or entertain, hate, racism, cruelty to animals, child ****, and violence to helpless people being among them.

It痴 pretty clear that Chucke doesn稚 share your opinion on diversity of thought, right down to reading helpful comments on farm equipment repair.

Setting free speech aside, as a fellow YouTube creator, I can see why somebody would stop reading comments as just enough of them are caustic, evil, soul-sapping little trolls that frequently assume things from arguments from silence. I enjoy the good questions, the helpful hints, and general good-hearted ribbing, but there are enough comments that do little else but rob you of the joy of creating and helping others, that just get deleted or hidden from even small channels like mine.

Changing subjects, as a Swede who grew up in a largely Jewish neighborhood, I'm not thrilled with Lance's view point, but that's the risk of free speech: namely people will all too frequently say something truncated, over-simplified, freakishly uninformed, bluntly stupid, mind-numbingly shallow, make assumptions from silence, project their false opinion into the gaps, and much more. Even so, that's the tapestry I prefer when discussion is able to take place rather than the group think that exists even within places like this forum where I cannot even share my real life experiences with a certain tractor manufacturer without suffering fools and then moderation.

 

[joeu235]

As someone affiliated with the company that has had a relationship with ChuckE, I too am baffled and disappointed. His post was more of a rage than a reason. He quoted distorted or out of context "facts" and made off the wall assumptions and conclusions imho. We are still evaluating our official response. But with the founder of our company being an immigrant forced to flee persecution, it would be ludicrous to believe that Everlast supports this kind of statement. He has obviously had others in on his show too, including HTP, Miller, Hypertherm, et al. Seems like he has burned some bridges. Though there is no excuse for it, I truly hope what was said was a product of youthful ignorance and brashness. Though not in this stream of thought, I can say my thoughts have changed over the year on various subjects as age has set in. Something I hope he learns to regret. Yes, freedom of speech is important, but so is freedom of association, and people can choose to listen and respond as they deem appropriate. My view and thoughts are much different than his I can assure you. My views of the world greatly changed the summer of my 21st birhday when I spent a month solo in the African bush on an Agricultural mission project.

Reminds of when I was in college and worked for Lowe's part time. The local grand dragon of the KKK was a roofer. He'd come in occasionally. Paradoxically His reputation was of being a good roofer, going so far as to go around on his hands and knees picking up loose nails and screws, and protecting shrubbery from damage etc. But we had to wait on him as any other customer. He made some racist comment toward a fellow worker that was waiting on him and I told him he (the employee) was the hardest worker we had...which was the truth. The fellow employee did a stand up thing though. He told me that he'd wait on him just like any other customer and was in the middle of pulling down sheathing for him with the fork lift from the top bunk. The guy (employee) was a fire fighter part time and he really made an impression on me as being a model of what is RIGHT in America. The customer was a prime example of what is wrong...but is tolerated because of our beliefs and ideals.

Mark, I might by an Everlast just because of your thoughtful post.

I unsubscribed from chucke2009 about 3 months ago when the entertainment and education value approached zero. I have no need to watch somebody load hay bales or drive around with a 6 foot shredder.

 

[Howling]

The OP's lament was the about the youtube channel changing from information/educational content to a political rant. And his loss of an educational / entertainment source.

As the content creator chucke2009 may create whatever videos he wants. It is alright for him to change the core content of his videos.

Those around his also have the right to change how they interact with the videos. The sponsors can elect or not to provide him funding. The hosting platform can decide what videos they want to host. Youtube is a private entity and 1st amendment does not apply to their choices what to allow. The viewer can choice to watch or not. Comments can be posted then read, not read or removed.

Even here, TractorByNet has provided us a forum allowing us to discuss the changes chucke2009's youtube channel has taken. As noted in a post early on this forum does have limitation how far the discussion is allowed to go in to specific politics. I am thankful to Muhammad for providing us this platform and allowing this discussion to continue.

Society has become more divided in to political view point groups. Chucke2009 appears be learning that mixing politics in to business is a good way to lose a chunk of your customer base/audience.

Disclaimer: I have not watched chucke2009's videos. These comments can apply to folk leaning in either political direction. In over 20 years of consulting I have listened to many' client comments about politics I don't agree with but didn't respond. As other's have said political discussions are better keep out of business relationships. Have those discussions with friends and family. There you can be the equal opportunity bigot and insult anyone without losing clients.

 

[jaxs]

Before decideing what Chucke2009 is giving up in the way of following,sponsership and money,we must consider radio,TV,magazines and newspapers with their widely contrasting audiences. There are followers of all kinds of ideas and Chucke2009 might be swapping one audience for another. I've known Lance (strictly by the net)since he was too young to drive and asking for welding advice himself. Adversity has followed him ever since. I well remember soreheads on Yesterday's Tractors consistantly beating him up for one thing or another and people in general saying he was undeserving of attention equipment mfgrs and u-tube subscribers were givring him. I have a feeling Chucke2009 might only be getting started. Several successful and/or influential people have been labeled as losers despite climbing life's ladder higher than their detractors. I believe everyone here know's a mighty successful individual who is criticized or praised daily for what they say and do. Not only is beauty in the eyes of the beholder,so is success.

 

[bdog]

Before decideing what Chucke2009 is giving up in the way of following,sponsership and money,we must consider radio,TV,magazines and newspapers with their widely contrasting audiences. There are followers of all kinds of ideas and Chucke2009 might be swapping one audience for another. I've known Lance (strictly by the net)since he was too young to drive and asking for welding advice himself. Adversity has followed him ever since. I well remember soreheads on Yesterday's Tractors consistantly beating him up for one thing or another and people in general saying he was undeserving of attention equipment mfgrs and u-tube subscribers were givring him. I have a feeling Chucke2009 might only be getting started. Several successful and/or influential people have been labeled as losers despite climbing life's ladder higher than their detractors. I believe everyone here know's a mighty successful individual who is criticized or praised daily for what they say and do. Not only is beauty in the eyes of the beholder,so is success.

For him to make money doing what he does he needs sponsors. Companies wanting him to push their products, you tube placing ads, etc. In today’s politically correct world no big business is going to want to associate with him. Regardless of what anyone thinks about it big corporations are so careful to not do anything that might offend a minority group or cause them to be labeled as racists, homophobic, whatever.

Chucke has a lot of talent (and a lot yet to learn) and I am sure he will do fine in life. It is just crazy to watch him destroy what he worked so hard to build up over the past ten years. I am sure he has thousands of hours invested in building up his channel, he has a half million followers, was making good money doing what a whole lot of people would call a dream job, etc.

I have some opinions and views on things that are not widely popular but I keep them to myself and my close friends and family. I sure don’t go broadcast them to those who provide my income.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

For him to make money doing what he does he needs sponsors. Companies wanting him to push their products, you tube placing ads, etc. In today痴 politically correct world no big business is going to want to associate with him. Regardless of what anyone thinks about it big corporations are so careful to not do anything that might offend a minority group or cause them to be labeled as racists, homophobic, whatever.

Chucke has a lot of talent (and a lot yet to learn) and I am sure he will do fine in life. It is just crazy to watch him destroy what he worked so hard to build up over the past ten years. I am sure he has thousands of hours invested in building up his channel, he has a half million followers, was making good money doing what a whole lot of people would call a dream job, etc.

I have some opinions and views on things that are not widely popular but I keep them to myself and my close friends and family. I sure don稚 go broadcast them to those who provide my income.

ChuckE2009's YouTube channel is enough to keep him fully employed without sponsorship. Assuming a 2/3rds income, ChuckE2009 is making $80K to 90K per year from YouTube alone during the slowest time of the year for advertisers. Although ChuckE2009's channel is huge in comparison to my own channel, if I assume the bump in ad revenue from October through the end of the year, ChuckE2009 is likely earning around $120K per year from YouTube revenue. Not only that but everything used in a YouTube video can be written off on some table even before 179 write-offs which I would suspect are things like the Kubota, the trailers, the attachments, et el. YouTube income alone can be very lucrative if you can grow a channel large enough to have enough ad revenue against which to write down against come tax season.

Moreover, if ChuckE2009 is transitioning from an autos channel to an entertainment channel, YouTube will send his channel more search results as entertainment videos keep eyeballs watching ads whereas how-to and autos videos normally lead to somebody chasing right back out to the garage to fix the very thing they just watched getting fixed on YouTube breaking the eyeball, ad-watching cycle that YouTubes algos try to keep blazing at full speed.

chucke29 YouTube Stats, Channel Statistics - Socialblade.com

Like and Subscribe LOL.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

Mark and everybnody else who wants to string Lance up,

It is okay to have diversity of thought--after all that is the risk of free speech that we'll hear something we don't agree with. Automatically turning your back on somebody because of a lack of shared opinion shuts down discussion and increasingly leads to intolerant totalitarian group think where outliers and nonconformists are persecuted in various ways beginning with shunning. Your company sponsored Lance to drive sales, and Lance as a person is entitled to an opinion. If everybody bails because we cannot agree on everything or cannot abide hearing something disagreeable, then none of us would have any customers, friends, or relatives. Bailing is not the path going forward for those in support of freedom of speech.

Who is trying to string him up? Really? What did I say that made you come to that conclusion? Really? Did you even read what I posted? Sheesh.....

I affirmed his right to freedom of speech, but I also affirmed our right of freedom of association, particularly since the owner of Everlast is a Jewish Immigrant, which part of his rant was naively directed to this group of people. .He has his right, but sometimes political and religious beliefs, and even our personal personal prejudices which we all hold (yes even atheists hold beliefs) will make it impossible to be closely affiliated with someone. Doesn't mean you hate them or think they are scum or wish them ill.. At times, you may not be allies, but you can be co-belligerants on certain subjects of common importance.

I acknowledged that some of his comments were bassed on what he perceived to be "facts". I did not agree with his conclusion and felt the facts were out of context, and disagreed with him about it firmly. I also feel it comes from youthful brashness and some other things that he has come across in his life interpreting them without a proper foundation or perspective. And that is wanting to string him up? Wow. Just, Wow.

 

[Silvic]

Who is trying to string him up? Really? What did I say that made you come to that conclusion? Really? Did you even read what I posted? Sheesh.....

I affirmed his right to freedom of speech, but I also affirmed our right of freedom of association, particularly since the owner of Everlast is a Jewish Immigrant, which part of his rant was naively directed to this group of people. .He has his right, but sometimes political and religious beliefs, and even our personal personal prejudices which we all hold (yes even atheists hold beliefs) will make it impossible to be closely affiliated with someone. Doesn't mean you hate them or think they are scum or wish them ill.. At times, you may not be allies, but you can be co-belligerants on certain subjects of common importance.

I acknowledged that some of his comments were based on what he perceived to be "facts". I did not agree with his conclusion and felt the facts were out of context, and disagreed with him about it firmly. I also feel it comes from youthful brashness and some other things that he has come across in his life interpreting them without a proper foundation or perspective. And that is wanting to string him up? Wow. Just, Wow.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Mark you did an excellent job of voicing your thoughts.
There were a few things that he voiced that are true and accurate. However the vitreal and hatred and the misconstruing of other facts show just what a warping of thoughts can occur.
5% right and 95% off the rails does not make a good combination.
Just be thankful that we live in a country where you can voice your opinion without the government beating you back (at least we have and hopefully will continue to have those rights). On private property and private networks the guarantee of freedom of speech does not exist.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Who is trying to string him up? Really? What did I say that made you come to that conclusion? Really? Did you even read what I posted? Sheesh.....

I affirmed his right to freedom of speech, but I also affirmed our right of freedom of association, particularly since the owner of Everlast is a Jewish Immigrant, which part of his rant was naively directed to this group of people. .He has his right, but sometimes political and religious beliefs, and even our personal personal prejudices which we all hold (yes even atheists hold beliefs) will make it impossible to be closely affiliated with someone. Doesn't mean you hate them or think they are scum or wish them ill.. At times, you may not be allies, but you can be co-belligerants on certain subjects of common importance.

I acknowledged that some of his comments were bassed on what he perceived to be "facts". I did not agree with his conclusion and felt the facts were out of context, and disagreed with him about it firmly. I also feel it comes from youthful brashness and some other things that he has come across in his life interpreting them without a proper foundation or perspective. And that is wanting to string him up? Wow. Just, Wow.

Anytime somebody implies, threatens or actually follows through cutting discussion or contact because they heard something dangerous, then I am free to apply the colloquialism of "String him up," which contextually meant shunning. Shunning was clearly my meaning and intent in the context of everything else I stated.

The "Wow, just wow," I assume is for dramatic effect.

FWIW, many of my childhood friends went to the Torah Academy to learn Jewish culture and Hebrew. Also, by Jews, I believe (but do not know) that ChuckE9000 means banksters, apparently unaware that Merrill Lynch was a bunch of good Catholic boys, that Bank of America is a bunch of southern boys--but saying as much would pigeonhole me with the genetic fallacy of ChuckE9000's overly simplistic stereotypes.

 

[Monster5601]

Don't continue jostling guys, it does not become you given your many valuable contributions to this forum. When I watched the video and it started taking a direction I wasn't interested in, I simply stop watching it and forgot about it. Do the same, forget about it before someone says something regretful. The intending meaning of something said versus how it is understood is the context and the context is often lost or wrongfully assumed in forum postings. Once said, it can't be taken back.

 

[Cat_Driver]

In my opinion Chuckie has reached his breaking point with what is going on in this country. I doubt there is a person here who doesn't agree with some of his points.
Illegals voting, Illegals getting drivers licenses, illegals getting more in money and benefits that veterans.
Obama bringing in thousands od Somalians then they get together and elect a woman who married her brother to cheat the immigration laws.
Another leader that poses as an Indian to get benefits others denied.
Rich Hollywood parents scamming the system for their kids.
And the big one, what these people did to Trump by spying on him and getting away with it.

The bigger question if this stuff doesn't bother you - then why not?

I may not agree 100% with Chuckie but I give him credit for ringing the bell and standing by his morals.

 

[dragoneggs]

In my opinion Chuckie has reached his breaking point with what is going on in this country. I doubt there is a person here who doesn't agree with some of his points.
Illegals voting, Illegals getting drivers licenses, illegals getting more in money and benefits that veterans.
Obama bringing in thousands od Somalians then they get together and elect a woman who married her brother to cheat the immigration laws.
Another leader that poses as an Indian to get benefits others denied.
Rich Hollywood parents scamming the system for their kids.
And the big one, what these people did to Trump by spying on him and getting away with it.

The bigger question if this stuff doesn't bother you - then why not?

I may not agree 100% with Chuckie but I give him credit for ringing the bell and standing by his morals.

Extremely well put!

 

[jaxs]

If his leanings were in a different direction,he might very well be a media darling by now and leading thousands in protest while getting prime time coverage.

 

[tomplum]

In my opinion Chuckie has reached his breaking point with what is going on in this country. I doubt there is a person here who doesn't agree with some of his points.

You're painting with a rather large brush there....

 

[dragoneggs]

You're painting with a rather large brush there....

And that is okay IMO... in the spirit of this discussion.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

It's one thing to report or observe important, uncomfortable or objectionable but verifiable facts. That should be fine at any level. What gets people in trouble is when they start stating or forcing an opinion, even though it is protected speech on a public level. And what really should done privately, but can't really be judged publicly is the motivation for doing so in the first place. Each must decide on his own, but a company or entity has a right to assert their own rights or core values as well if a conclusion conflicts with their interests.