Buying Advice New Tractor buyer: BX23s or B2601 or XJ2025H?

   / New Tractor buyer: BX23s or B2601 or XJ2025H? #1  

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New member here...been lurking for a month or so.

Like many here I am new to the compact tractor market. Would appreciate the collective wisdom of the group(I have scoured them a bit for data on the tractors I am considering - much appreciated!)

Need: We recently purchased a 2.5 acre property with a house in the PNW. Everywhere except the house and driveway is trees and typical NW undergrowth and bushes. It is reasonably level but does have a grade...nothing drastic. Driveway is dirt/gravel. We intend to convert over half of it to sparsely wooded pasture (not fully cleared) for our two horses (currently boarded off-property). So will install a fence and eventually a 30x40 garage/barn building. We have been using chainsaws, weed-whackers with saw blade attachments, a wood chipper, and human muscle to clear and have probably done 1/3 of an acre in about a month of weekends/days off. Probably 30 trees, lots of bushes, and have stacked 3 or so cords of wood. So we determined we probably need a TLB (but no mower - I have little grass, but will have lots of stumps) to get this done with more efficiency and less human effort.

Shopping locally, the JD dealer, KB dealer, and LS dealers all have good reps and we're fine to shop with. They are all within 25 miles. Only real distinction is the JD dealer doesn't do service locally but will pick up and deliver to another affiliated dealer in another town for service.

We started shopping at the low end for both need and price considerations. We compared the JD 1023E, KB BX23S, and LS 1025. After examining them all, we decided the BX23S was best for us when all were configured the same for what options we wanted (thumb, 3rd function, SSQA). Price out the door (including 9% taxes) is ~$23.5K. more expensive than the JD and LS but with better options (LS can't even do SSQA or 3rd function).

So, why am I here? Seems a lot of advice on these forums is "go bigger than you think you need". Given the limited bucket capacity of the 23S (it's one main weakness IMO) and my desire to use a grapple to pull a lot of the underbrush, we opened our aperture to the next size tractors. The two we looked at were the KB B2601 and the LS XJ2025H, both with the same options. Honestly, ifcost wasn't a factor, I'd get the 2601. Kubota clearly makes a top line product (F250 King Ranch, metaphorically). LS makes a fine tractor, but it is definitely XL trim (to continue the truck metaphor). But, as it turns out, with the the current LS incentives, I can get the LS 2025H for ~$24K - almost the same price as the BX. The 2601 is priced at ~$29.5K. these are out the door prices with a 9% sales tax in this state.

So I have two things I need to resolve to make a decision.

1. Is the B2601 objectively worth $6K more than the 2025H in the long term?

2. Is KB rep and quality worth getting the smaller, less capable BX23S over the larger, more capable LS 2025H at the same price point?

One initial thought I've had is that for *maintaining* the property after I get the pasture established, the BX is probabbly the right size for this property, but for *converting* the property, the LS 2025H is probably the better choice.

Any and all advice appreciated.
 
   / New Tractor buyer: BX23s or B2601 or XJ2025H? #2  
New member here...been lurking for a month or so.

Like many here I am new to the compact tractor market. Would appreciate the collective wisdom of the group(I have scoured them a bit for data on the tractors I am considering - much appreciated!)

Need: We recently purchased a 2.5 acre property with a house in the PNW. Everywhere except the house and driveway is trees and typical NW undergrowth and bushes. It is reasonably level but does have a grade...nothing drastic. Driveway is dirt/gravel. We intend to convert over half of it to sparsely wooded pasture (not fully cleared) for our two horses (currently boarded off-property). So will install a fence and eventually a 30x40 garage/barn building. We have been using chainsaws, weed-whackers with saw blade attachments, a wood chipper, and human muscle to clear and have probably done 1/3 of an acre in about a month of weekends/days off. Probably 30 trees, lots of bushes, and have stacked 3 or so cords of wood. So we determined we probably need a TLB (but no mower - I have little grass, but will have lots of stumps) to get this done with more efficiency and less human effort.

Shopping locally, the JD dealer, KB dealer, and LS dealers all have good reps and we're fine to shop with. They are all within 25 miles. Only real distinction is the JD dealer doesn't do service locally but will pick up and deliver to another affiliated dealer in another town for service.

We started shopping at the low end for both need and price considerations. We compared the JD 1023E, KB BX23S, and LS 1025. After examining them all, we decided the BX23S was best for us when all were configured the same for what options we wanted (thumb, 3rd function, SSQA). Price out the door (including 9% taxes) is ~$23.5K. more expensive than the JD and LS but with better options (LS can't even do SSQA or 3rd function).

So, why am I here? Seems a lot of advice on these forums is "go bigger than you think you need". Given the limited bucket capacity of the 23S (it's one main weakness IMO) and my desire to use a grapple to pull a lot of the underbrush, we opened our aperture to the next size tractors. The two we looked at were the KB B2601 and the LS XJ2025H, both with the same options. Honestly, ifcost wasn't a factor, I'd get the 2601. Kubota clearly makes a top line product (F250 King Ranch, metaphorically). LS makes a fine tractor, but it is definitely XL trim (to continue the truck metaphor). But, as it turns out, with the the current LS incentives, I can get the LS 2025H for ~$24K - almost the same price as the BX. The 2601 is priced at ~$29.5K. these are out the door prices with a 9% sales tax in this state.

So I have two things I need to resolve to make a decision.

1. Is the B2601 objectively worth $6K more than the 2025H in the long term?

2. Is KB rep and quality worth getting the smaller, less capable BX23S over the larger, more capable LS 2025H at the same price point?

One initial thought I've had is that for *maintaining* the property after I get the pasture established, the BX is probabbly the right size for this property, but for *converting* the property, the LS 2025H is probably the better choice.

Any and all advice appreciated.

Tough to give a good answer.
Buy the MOST tractor you can afford.
I know....that is really a non answer.

If you buy too small though, you will wind up trading, and buying again.
That scenario is VERY common, and is NOT cost effective!

I know absolutely nothing about LS tractors, except that they are apparently New Holland clones, and are highly respected.
Bransons have an excellent reputation also.

As Jeff9366 (here on TBN) so often says: BUY ENOUGH TRACTOR!
 
   / New Tractor buyer: BX23s or B2601 or XJ2025H? #3  
With the grapple requirement look very carefully at FEL capacity. Grapples can be heavy and the lighter ones are not cheap. I have the cheap MTL dual lid grapple and it weighs 525 lbs, but I have 2700 lbs of capacity. They have a smaller single lid unit that is nearly 200 lbs lighter and better suited to a small tractor.

I was looking at the LS XR3100 series and decided to go with the 4100 as the price difference was not that great. I have never regretted buying the larger tractor, but you need to weigh how important reduced maneuverability may affect you.

BTW, one the local guys bought a BX 2650 and was disappointed in his purchase after he saw my LS. I think he paid as much for the BX as my XR4140. He has about 2-3 acres so he does not "need" a large machine but still wishes he had a bigger one.
 
   / New Tractor buyer: BX23s or B2601 or XJ2025H? #4  
Both tractors are just a tad over 1,600 pounds, bare tractor weight, the key metric to begin evaluating tractor capability.

LS XJ2025H has a two (2) range HST transmission.

Kubota B2601 has a three (3) range HST transmission.

While you may not miss the higher/HIGH range of the Kubota on 2.5 acres, you may wish you had the lower/LOW range from time to time.

Either tractor will serve you well on 2.5 acres.



I am a bit skeptical of backhoes on light/small tractors. Will a <$400 BUCKET SPACE accomplish some or most of the tasks you foresee for a Backhoe? You would want a slightly shorter Bucket Spade than shown in my photos. Would digging to 32" depth suffice?

A Bucket Spade is NOT as capable as a Backhoe but it is a good tool and you can operate a Bucket Spade on the FEL bucket with a complementary implement on the Three Point Hitch at the same time. The tractor is mobile all the time. You can store an idled Bucket Spade in any odd corner of the garage.

VIDEO: tractor bucket spade attachment - YouTube
 

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   / New Tractor buyer: BX23s or B2601 or XJ2025H? #5  
Are you planning on digging out stumps with your tractor? If so you will probably spend a lot of time doing it. You might look at a 2 series JD also, and 2025R or a 2032R. I had a Kubota BX for about 10 years and the small bucket size did frustrate me at times. Kubota and JD almost always cost more. Worth it? I think so.

I attached a pic of a stump I dug out with the end loader of my BX. Took maybe 3 hours and I had a huge hole and I had to pull it out with my pick up.
 

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   / New Tractor buyer: BX23s or B2601 or XJ2025H?
  • Thread Starter
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Tough to give a good answer.
Buy the MOST tractor you can afford.
I know....that is really a non answer.

If you buy too small though, you will wind up trading, and buying again.
That scenario is VERY common, and is NOT cost effective!

I know absolutely nothing about LS tractors, except that they are apparently New Holland clones, and are highly respected.
Bransons have an excellent reputation also.

As Jeff9366 (here on TBN) so often says: BUY ENOUGH TRACTOR!

Thx for the reply. I agree...I definitely want to avoid the need to trade up.
 
   / New Tractor buyer: BX23s or B2601 or XJ2025H?
  • Thread Starter
#7  
With the grapple requirement look very carefully at FEL capacity. Grapples can be heavy and the lighter ones are not cheap. I have the cheap MTL dual lid grapple and it weighs 525 lbs, but I have 2700 lbs of capacity. They have a smaller single lid unit that is nearly 200 lbs lighter and better suited to a small tractor.

I was looking at the LS XR3100 series and decided to go with the 4100 as the price difference was not that great. I have never regretted buying the larger tractor, but you need to weigh how important reduced maneuverability may affect you.

BTW, one the local guys bought a BX 2650 and was disappointed in his purchase after he saw my LS. I think he paid as much for the BX as my XR4140. He has about 2-3 acres so he does not "need" a large machine but still wishes he had a bigger one.

Thx. My interest in a grapple is the ability to root up the typical bushes up here as well as lift and move larger tree parts. Your logic on a grapple needing more FEL capacity is well recieved...which is why I am leaning toward the bigger tractors. I considered a bush hog or a skid cutter but a friend cleared most of his similar property with a grapple. If others think the other attachments are a better option I am willing to reconsider the grapple requirement. Really am a newbie here! Especially on which attachments are best for each application.
 
   / New Tractor buyer: BX23s or B2601 or XJ2025H?
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#8  
For Jeff and dodgeman. Thx for the replies. The backhoe is going to be for digging stumps, pushing over smaller trees, and getting the footers and such dug for the garage. And grabbing and stacking logs and such, I suppose. The quick spade looks cool but I don't think it matches what I need.
 
   / New Tractor buyer: BX23s or B2601 or XJ2025H? #9  
I know absolutely nothing about LS tractors, except that they are apparently New Holland clones, and are highly respected.

LS manufacturers some of the NH models, so if anything NH is a clone of LS. More accurately, those NH models are rebadged LS machines.
 
   / New Tractor buyer: BX23s or B2601 or XJ2025H? #10  
The backhoe is going to be for digging stumps, pushing over smaller trees, and getting the footers and such dug for the garage.


I've dug some stumps in my hard rocky soil, but they'd been cut years earlier and the roots were good and dead.


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I'm not sure how it would do on a fresh stump with strong roots.
 

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