Comparison Extrordinary JD3045 Cab Price Difference - Justified?

[arcadelt]

Of course, but you say dollars, we think US or me Canadian.

I specifically wrote it as AU$

 

[nards444]

I got quoted $32,000 for TLB package with the 3032e. Insane when I got an LS 35hp for 22,900 for the same package. Both open station, non-cab tractors.

Live in NY too, and for some reason pricing here is terrible. Found that one out. From what I found is in NY the name brands were MSRP and thats it, but the off brands per say were quite a bit cheaper. But if you looked in say PA or any other random state, the off brand would still be cheaper, but the name brand was a lot better. So like you case the LS would still be 22k in PA but you could get the deere for for say 28 or so in PA.

 

[paulfun9]

I'm in Australia and have been looking at a compact tractor package for some months now, that includes a cab, front end loader and backhoe, plus the options that might even up the offerings. Based purely on which companies could provide what I was after, I narrowed my shortlist down to a John Deere 3045R, New Holland Boomer 50 and Kioti CK4220. I'm about to make the final decision, but before I do I'd just like to ask the brains trust here if there is any circumstance where the 3045R package could be justifiably AU$22500 better than the Boomer 50 and a whopping AU$29000 better than the CK4220?



Is a JD that much more capable, or long lived...or anything else that I am missing?

Nothing I have heard even the made up bull puckey, nothing I have ever experienced and nothing I have seen has convinced me that any JD was worth more than the next brand. So at that price difference it would have to plow the field, walk the dogs, cut the grass and cook me breakfast before it woke me up in the morning to even have a fighting chance at me spending that much more!

 

[arcadelt]

...it would have to plow the field, walk the dogs, cut the grass and cook me breakfast before it woke me up in the morning to even have a fighting chance at me spending that much more!

Thanks for the morning laugh

 

[ededic]

I cant judge this effectively without a picture of each one.

 

[paulfun9]

I cant judge this effectively without a picture of each one.

With that much of a price difference the JD would need be brand new and the others would have to be at least 30 years old and extremely worn out to justify it. The OP is talking about brand new machines that are close in size and very comparable.

This would be like paying a builder to build a garage to nearly identical standards 29,000 more than your neighbor paid to a builder with the same skill. The only difference is your builder is using green siding and plastic doors with yellow trim.

Really no need for a picture at all!

 

[mwayne]

Have you contacted the JD people to verify the price? Sounds like a mistake to me.

 

[arcadelt]

Have you contacted the JD people to verify the price? Sounds like a mistake to me.

It’s the only machine I got two quotes on, from two different dealers, and they were within AU$250 of each other.

 

[arcadelt]

I cant judge this effectively without a picture of each one.

Here you go

 

[hosspuller]

Just some musings...

All machines break and wear. The tasty initial price sometimes is tempered by subsequent bitter flavor for parts and service. No matter the brand understand "YOUR" future support. In my area the all brands compete hard. Some places the competition is lacking and the market will bear high prices. Understand the market prior to a purchase. Two quotes is barely scratching the surface in my area. Those prices are a starting point. Patience and knowledge will work you for you.

In my recent purchase, the initial quote was US$42,000 I found the same machine (another dealer) while having a couple of hundred hours, was $25,000 and had several valuable features the new machine didn't.

What's red and smells like fresh green paint ?

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Fresh Red paint. :laughing:

 

[arcadelt]

In my area the all brands compete hard. Some places the competition is lacking and the market will bear high prices. Understand the market prior to a purchase. Two quotes is barely scratching the surface in my area. Those prices are a starting point. Patience and knowledge will work you for you.

In my recent purchase, the initial quote was US$42,000 I found the same machine (another dealer) while having a couple of hundred hours, was $25,000 and had several valuable features the new machine didn't.

What's red and smells like green paint ?

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Red paint. :laughing:

Oh to live in North America. I'm afraid it’s just not like that in the compact tractor market in Australia.

 

[radios1]

JD keeps a higher re-sale value..

 

[arcadelt]

JD keeps a higher re-sale value..

Do you suppose the resale value will be AU$29000 higher over an equivalent Kioti? Would it be in the US?

 

[kthompson]

To begin with I have own Case, currently own two Kubotas and one John Deere. Only my Kubota B2710 is about same size as you are looking at. We do have a strong NH and Kubota dealership within ten miles or me with the NH also a Kioto dealer. There has been a Kioto dealership near me for at least ten years. This is only my observation but there are at least a many small Kubotas all other brands together. By small I will say about 50 hp and less. JD is about 20 miles from me.

I have operated my brother in laws 3000 JD which is an open station tractor and found it a stable, strong tractor. For looking to the rear I do turn to my right and the fel joystick was being pushed by my right knee which bugged me. Only negative I found. It did have only two range hydro trans, I was using it with fel and box blade and found no problem with the two range trans. Was on rocky sloping Texas land and not our rock free and basically flat land.

I have friend who's boomer broke in half and know that has been issue with some model of the Boomer, look for that even at tractorbynet. Believe it was due to either FEL or Back Hoe without the proper frame on the tractor. On the few comments have really heard on the Kioti is not major issues just nagging ones. Not aware of any issue with the compact JD, at same time not that many as either of the Kubota, NH or Kioti.

Last year I was with my nephew as he was looking at a new Case 75 HP tractor with four wheel drive, cab and front end loader. It was right at $44,000. We left there and went to a JD dealer to look at what they had and I priced a 4044 R with same options as the Case. WOW, same price! Only difference was the JD had hydro trans, smaller frame tractor and 31 hp less.

I am in process of retiring from my small farming operation and looking to the JD 4066R, Kubota L6060 and Yanmar YT359. Each with cab, hydro transmission and fel. So far the JD is the highest price and I am willing to pay more for the JD than the others just due to experience my JD farm tractor compared to my Kubotas. However for me am leaning to the Yanmar at present.

Said a lot to get to this: No idea on the NH nor really the Kioti as not seen new one in about four years. Look at each option on each tractor. Compare the weight of each one carefully. Also specs on the fel. Doubt in that size tractor but in the 4000 series JD they have better selection of FEL than I am finding on the other brands. Look at how the fel attach and remove if possible as some fel are not removable and some buckets are not quick connect or change out to other options. Read your comment not seeing them in cab, sure would be great if you could sit in their cab for I find there is differences in them and comfort and your size or habits might make a difference. Do your best to verify support after the sales. I think the JD has a Yanmar engine but verify.

Only valid reason can think of major price difference is JD only has the tier IV while the others still have the tier 3.

 

[paulfun9]

JD keeps a higher re-sale value..

After owning so many different brands you would have a very hard time proving that to me.

The guy down the road who tried asking as much more for his JD than the competition wanted for thier machines in comparison to the same machines used, started trying to sell it over 5 years ago before I purchased my Kioti. Guess what? He still didn’t sell it!

 

[paulfun9]

Do you suppose the resale value will be AU$29000 higher over an equivalent Kioti? Would it be in the US?

No the resale value will never work out on the percentage scale. It never does!

 

[ddbackhoe]

but got the sense that the Boomer 50 Cab I was after is such a low seller here, they just couldn稚 be bothered looking into it...and I was not prepared to pursue it further.

Right, its your money so you have to be happy about writing a check to the guy/co. One thing to consider is long term parts support if you think this will be a 20 year investment. Not saying Kioti wont be there, but I do know I can get parts for JD, Case and Ford popular models (some, like a JD 770 tractor, not so much)

 

[nards444]

No the resale value will never work out on the percentage scale. It never does!

Your right they may sell for more, but percentage wise they will not, people seem to get confused on that and my guess have been brain washed by JD and others

 

[hosspuller]

Your right they may sell for more, but percentage wise they will not, people seem to get confused on that and my guess have been brain washed by JD and others

Not brain washed, just made a value judgement for my situation. Last purchase was a Deere by design. I looked at other brands but came back to Deere because of "MY" knowledge and Deere support systems. I didn't pay a higher price and got better value & fit for me. Patience and knowledge gets value...

My first tractor purchase 24 years ago was price driven. Deere was low cost compared to NH, Kubota, MF and IH. I bought a Deere rental return. It had 40 hours and still the nubs on the tires. I relate this story because the OP might open his options and get a lot more machine than first sight. "Never pay retail …"

 

[Paystar]

Here you go

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Ya look....the JD cost more but the blue and orange ones are even bigger! :laughing: