Corona Virus #8

[LouNY]

Well heck lets see if this gets in before this thread gets locked

The New York City death count is going to go up faster now then it has been, the major has decided that all unaccompanied deaths will be counted as corona virus deaths,
without testing. Just got to drive those numbers up, what the heck

 

[ruffdog]

Well heck lets see if this gets in before this thread gets locked

The New York City death count is going to go up faster now then it has been, the major has decided that all unaccompanied deaths will be counted as corona virus deaths,
without testing. Just got to drive those numbers up, what the heck

Around the US, many of the COVID deaths in nursing homes were not being tested/reported as such.

 

[IslandTractor]

That's a pipe dream...or would have been before the education the world is getting right now...

The majority of people don't even bother to keep a two week supply of essentials on hand...maybe in hurricane and tornado country a few more may stay prepared but not near as many as you might think...heck most wait until a storm is knocking on the door before the herds clean out the water and dairy sections of all the coastal grocery stores...

As for the sports...yeah right...like those (rich , greedy) franchise owners are just going to say hey we better shut down our cash cows for the good of everyone...LoL...another pipe dream (until now)...

Travel bans...yeah right the clamoring was on the wall...

Again, good leadership is about being in FRONT not bringing up the rear.

Would sports franchise owners have bitched and moaned about a shutdown in early Feb. You betcha! And, how do you think they would have responded if POTUS arranged a conference call and told them about the consequences of letting a pandemic get out of control and having their players and fans in the middle of it? His own intelligence agencies had already raised that spectre. He had the bully pulpit and wasn't smart enough to use it. He could easily have pitched to sports owners that this was in the national interest and that a failure to act or support him would be taken very badly by POTUS and his administration. He could easily have invoked Flu 1918 as an example of what he was trying to avoid. He could have made it quite a patriotic decision for team owners. Instead, he flew to Mar a Lago and played golf. Real leadership.

 

[shooterdon]

Not when people's health or lives are at risk.

Mayo Clinic cardiologist: '''Inexcusable''' to ignore hydroxychloroquine side effects

No one is saying you have to use TSO (Trump Snake Oil). If you go to intensive care, let the doctors know you do not want to be a Guinea pig. Now isn't that simple?

I am at higher risk than most. If I am close the death, I should be allowed to take whatever I want if there are no other options. We had Governors make that choice illegal...but I think most of those morons have now pulled back on that.

This is a cheap and easily made drug that seems to work for some people. It disturbs me that people are unable to see that...but HEY >>>>GREAT!!! More TSO for the rest of us who want to roll the dice.

BTW a Democratic State Congresswoman in Detroit was near death and credits it with saving her life. If I understand correctly, she had her husband get the drug as it was the only way she could get it.

 

[k0ua]

To your point... It is only political because Trump is trying to take the news away from how poorly the US was prepared for this under his leadership; and his touting the virus as a "hoax" and "fake news" when he should have got the ball rolling.

Trump NEVER said the virus was a hoax or fake news. HE DID SAY that the democrats politicizing of his decision to stop the incoming flights from China and to criticize him for doing so "another hoax" just like the previous russian and collusion hoaxes. You have mischaracterized what he said and what he meant. How in the world could you think that Trump thought the CHINESE virus was a hoax when he went to the VERY unpopular at the time step of stopping all persons coming from China. Many of his own advisers advised him NOT to do this. And if you will remember everyone with a D by their name criticized him for doing so. If you will remember he was called xenophobic and racist. If you will remember the stopping of the China flights happened in January and the flights from Europe later when it became apparent that was a danger also. Look different people will always put a different lens on anyone's actions. and No one can argue that the CDC with its worthless and slow testing regime did nothing to help this situation, But you would like to pin it on Donald J. Trump. "its his fault". Sure, go ahead. Tell me how you would have done it better?

By the way, I see some hospitals are using a chamber with vaporized hydrogen peroxide and some other methods to sanitize masks. I know I know Donald J. Trump suggested we look into this, so you and others will be against this move. And so it goes.

 

[IslandTractor]

Link to article? Someone sure is making money selling "wonderful" drug.

Scientists should approve drugs, not pretenders.

Hydroxychloroquine: how an unproven drug became Trump痴 coronavirus 'miracle cure' | World news | The Guardian

That Guardian article is excellent. Highly recommended reading for anyone who wants to understand where this whole business started.

 

[IslandTractor]

The drug is made by the French company Sanofi.

Actually it is generic and most of the world's supply comes from Indian pharmaceutical companies. Unless someone is jacking up the price, this is a low cost drug.

 

[k0ua]

No one is saying you have to use TSO (Trump Snake Oil). If you go to intensive care, let the doctors know you do not want to be a Guinea pig. Now isn't that simple?

I am at higher risk than most. If I am close the death, I should be allowed to take whatever I want if there are no other options. We had Governors make that choice illegal...but I think most of those morons have now pulled back on that.

This is a cheap and easily made drug that seems to work for some people. It disturbs me that people are unable to see that...but HEY >>>>GREAT!!! More TSO for the rest of us who want to roll the dice.

BTW a Democratic State Congresswoman in Detroit was near death and credits it with saving her life. If I understand correctly, she had her husband get the drug as it was the only way she could get it.

AND this Democratic Black representative, had the temerity to actually praise Donald J. Trump for saving her life. If you can believe that. I saw here say it in her own words. How about that for a testimate to people of different political persuasions working together.

 

[k0ua]

That Guardian article is excellent. Highly recommended reading for anyone who wants to understand where this whole business started.

Why are so many doctors coming forward and saying this drug regimen is working.? I have seen many. Not just some goofy looking french one.

 

[IslandTractor]

I find this reluctance to acknowledge that this drug is working JUST because the president expressed hope and a "feeling" that it would work despicable. Just despicable. If president Obama had expressed the same personal "feeling" these same people HERE would be touting his wonderful prediction. Many doctors worldwide are touting this drug and trials are continuing in NY and other places. There is enough evidence that this drug is efficacious for at least some people in some circumstances that trials need to continue. To continue to disparage president Trump as a "pretender" and to put your head in the sand and deny the possibilities of this drug combo JUST because Trump talked it up is just stupid. To be quite honest, I didn't want to jump in here and make this already political thread even more political, BUT some of you just won't shut your political mouths.

You assume this drug is working.....where is your evidence? There are at least as many studies, using the same protocol as Marseille, that show it is NOT working. We don't order mass use of medications when the evidence for their efficacy is equivocal. The Marseille study has effectively been withdrawn by the journal it was sent to because it doesn't meet their standards. There will be better studies soon. The sum of available evidence is that hydroxychloroquine doesn't work for Covid-19. It also hasn't worked for ANY OTHER virus that it's been tested for and has made infections clinically WORSE for some.