Would you buy an electric tractor?

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   / Would you buy an electric tractor? #241  
Electric would be fine by me. Just not yet.
Technology hasn't caught with the task.
It might or might not.
It's the kind of thing that Dem's swear can be legislated into existence but in the end
when capitalists can find a way to make it profitable it will happen.
Not until then.
Magnetic propulsion, alternative fuels {Hydrogen, et al} all MIGHT happen but certainly
not until it becomes profit driven.
Stored energy just isn't up to the task yet.
 
   / Would you buy an electric tractor? #242  
Why are people making out to be that a self driving tractor needs to be an EV? I personally don't see one in the near future for most farmers. Sure, cleaning out the stalls or some tasks on a farm could be done. But when it's planting season or the fall harvest I hear diesels running full bore for days (and nights). They stop just long enough to fill them up. That's a lot of power needed to do the job. EVs shine when you have lots of low power times. It's like drilling holes with a cordless drill. You can drill a lot more 1/8" holes than 1" holes before the battery dies. That means the tractor will be stopping often to recharge the battery for a lot longer than the diesel will take to top off it's tank.
 
   / Would you buy an electric tractor? #243  
Electric would be fine by me. Just not yet.
Technology hasn't caught with the task.
It might or might not.
It's the kind of thing that Dem's swear can be legislated into existence but in the end
when capitalists can find a way to make it profitable it will happen.
Not until then.
Magnetic propulsion, alternative fuels {Hydrogen, et al} all MIGHT happen but certainly
not until it becomes profit driven.
Stored energy just isn't up to the task yet.

You squarely hit the nail on the head.

This is what Elon Musk has been saying for many years. New and less expensive energy storage is key and decades away. All we have to do is to look at the evolution of battery powered hand tools. We are using our litium ion power tools for stripping our Leaf EV that got totalled at a traffic light. Basically only the battery technology has changed much over time. About every 10 years the general public will notice a leap forward in energy storage technology. Ten years ago the 1st Nissan Leaf was sold in the USA. I saw my first Leaf or any EV 18 months ago. Come 2030 electric tractor will not be a novelty and steering wheels wiil go the way of clutch pedals.
 
   / Would you buy an electric tractor? #244  
Why are people making out to be that a self driving tractor needs to be an EV? I personally don't see one in the near future for most farmers. Sure, cleaning out the stalls or some tasks on a farm could be done. But when it's planting season or the fall harvest I hear diesels running full bore for days (and nights). They stop just long enough to fill them up. That's a lot of power needed to do the job. EVs shine when you have lots of low power times. It's like drilling holes with a cordless drill. You can drill a lot more 1/8" holes than 1" holes before the battery dies. That means the tractor will be stopping often to recharge the battery for a lot longer than the diesel will take to top off it's tank.
I think this is an excellent point. Autonomous operation and electric operation are not strictly mutually inclusuve. Integration of autonomous operation into an electric tractor is undoubtedly more streamlined, but to assume they are is marketing hype.

If the autonomous operation is what is attractive, the technology can equally be applied to a diesel tractor. The marketing would have you believe it's one or the other. That sounds to me like a sales pitch that is trying to gloss over some of the deficiencies of the electric tractor by distracting you with a new shiny feature.

Shortcomings like a second battery pack to run longer than 10 hours at $15k, only a 10 year warranty on said battery, no loader (assume $10k)

So, from purely an energy efficiency standpoint, to run all day it's going to cost ~$60k (loader but no extra battery) versus roughly $30-40k for a similar diesel. So, $20-30k more.

45 hp is about 33 kW. Gas would cost about $40/day. Electricity at 0.08/kWhr for 10 hours would would cost $26.40/day. That's a savings of roughly $15/day.

Assuming 200, 10 hour days per year, that's a savings of $3,000/year for 2,000 operating hours/year, which seems high, but I'm not a farmer. Even at that high usage, it will take 7-10 years to get your money back. Just in time to buy a new battery at 10 years ...

Costs may vary slightly based on electricity rates. (For example, mine are $0.13/kWhr, which would take almost twice as long to recoup my costs).

My rule of thumb is anything that takes longer than 6 years to recoup my investment is a bad deal, because I can do better by putting my money in the stock market.

So, I think it has very little to do with initial feelings, and really depends on the economics of putting it down on paper to figure it out.

It's close, but still not there.
 
   / Would you buy an electric tractor? #245  
Autonomous was part of the electric tractor link...

As California moves to zero emissions it could leave electric the only game in town...
 
   / Would you buy an electric tractor? #247  
Autonomous was part of the electric tractor link...

As California moves to zero emissions it could leave electric the only game in town...

Yes I can see that. Murray Ky is not a hot bed of EV'S yet but saw an electric zero turn mowing last month so lithium ion tractors can't be that far behind.
 
   / Would you buy an electric tractor? #248  
Electric would be fine by me. Just not yet.
Technology hasn't caught with the task.
It might or might not.
It's the kind of thing that Dem's swear can be legislated into existence but in the end
when capitalists can find a way to make it profitable it will happen.
Not until then.
Magnetic propulsion, alternative fuels {Hydrogen, et al} all MIGHT happen but certainly
not until it becomes profit driven.
Stored energy just isn't up to the task yet.

Agree
Let capitalism find the best way. It almost always finds a better way than punitive dictates from unelected and elected government regulators, some of who hide their agendas.
We also need reasonable regulations for capitalist system to show the way.
Also, if vehicles of any kind become zero emissions and we have the same power grid using primarily hydrocarbon emitting power generation, wont we end up just producing the same amount of greenhouse gasses (no free lunch)? And wouldnt people who live near those power plants get an unfair, concentrated amount of air pollution, while rural communities get all the clean air? Wont we have to build many MORE power plants to charge all these cars, trucks, tractors? :confused2:

I would rather see power generation first become primarily nuclear or cleaned-up fossil fuel and let the average guy, most of whom cant afford a new electric car, keep their current very low tailpipe emissions vehicles. Then give people a choice what they can buy. If it makes someone feel special and more important to have an electric tractor or car, knock yourself out! You can show everyone what a super amazing person you are, far better than your redneck neighbor with a IC engine :rolleyes:
 
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