How many teeth should I add to my 4 in 1 bucket/tooth mount style-Beast Mode

[PowerTracManiac]

Need to be able to dig out some dirt. Soil is a little on the clay side. Definitely not soft, rich topsoil or sandy.
Would like to add some teeth to my 4 in 1 bucket cutting edge. I ordered a 23 tf tooth from Titan to check fit and it fits good.
The inside of the bucket is 71inches wide.
How many teeth do you all think would be good for loosening up my soil? Is there set number of teeth per inch that works good in clay soil?

 

[Rustyiron]

About 8" to 10" spacing is good, your choice. Just make them all evenly spaced.

 

[RickB]

About 8" to 10" spacing is good, your choice. Just make them all evenly spaced.

Agreed.

 

[ponytug]

Which cutting edge are you putting the teeth on? I have often wondered about the utility of teeth on the 4n1.

FWIW: All I have for soil is either clay or highly fractured sedimentary rock, which is basically like highly compacted gravel. With the 4n1, I curl the bucket forward, and then open the bucket most/all the way up and back drag the clay. Back dragging creates a lifting cut that seems to work well on my clay soil. It shaves the clay beautifully unless it is bone dry. No teeth. Mostly I am trying to level roads, or create terraces, so YMMV, depending on what you are doing.

Happy Thanksgiving!

All the best,

Peter

 

[Oldpath05]

I pick 9. I have 6 on my 5' bucket and wish I had 7....

 

[m5040]

Oldpath05 has a nice bolt on edge. It is nice to take it off when not needed so you don't walk into them or have them in the way when loading firewood in bucket or clamp on forks or sticky soft material etc.

Power Trac has individual bolt on teeth. How are the Titans, weld or bolt on?

The theory of the teeth is to concentrate your traction pushing power on the tips instead of the long smooth edge. I think it really depends on your soil and by experience. The recommendations sound right, but if you put on too many it will probably work against you.

 

[oosik]

My 72" bucket has eight teeth on the tooth bar. View attachment 677813

 

[PowerTracManiac]

Plan on putting the teeth on the main front edge. Can still bulldoze and drag with the 4 in 1 open is the plan. I have the light material bucket also if I need it.


I originally wanted to do a bolt on tooth bar and so I only ordered 1 tooth to see how it would fit.
The P.T. bucket and exisiting front metal cutting edge are so thick that there is no room to put another metal edge under the back of the tooth for an additional flat bar to do a bolt on bar. The tooth fits perfectly with no slop tight to the existing bucket metal so I can't deny the ready to weld fitment.

Oldpath05-you don't play around. That is one tough looking Kubota!

Appreciate the sugesstions all. I will order more teeth and go for about 8 to 9 inch spacing.

 

[Oldpath05]

Number of teeth sorta depend if one wants to back drag out the bigger size rocks that one wants separated, but if to many teeth the bucket wont dig in like it should. My bucket teeth are approx 9" between, I'm glad they wasn't 1" further apart, I think 7" between would work better for separating the bigger rocks, but 4 in buck might throw all suggestion's over the rock pile............

 

[Rustyiron]

Appreciate the sugesstions all. I will order more teeth and go for about 8 to 9 inch spacing.

Cat has a nice "corner shank" they use on their backhoe buckets and is close to the same size as what you have. I used them on a SS bucket I built, and having the end tooth directly on the corner is very helpful. (also makes our little machines look like the big boys :laughing
I'll look for a picture later.

 

[PowerTracManiac]

Getting ready to do some excavation and need the teeth welded onto my 4in1 bucket soon.
Now that I look at the teeth/mount that I bought again, the teeth are going to sit lower that the bottom of the bucket due to the style of the tooth mount that clamps over the bucket edge.


Should I care about that or do I need to get weld on mounts that sit up higher so the tooth is more even with the bottom of the bucket?

 

[m5040]

That doesn't look bad to me from the pic. You may want to snap a side view showing how much lower the tooth is. Most brands are a little lower then the edge.
Some brands like the ones PT (and others) sell are bolt on. So if you dont need them you can remove them. The only problem would be drilling the holes. Not sure how hard the bucket material is to drill through.

 

[old and tired]

I would do an ODD number of teeth regardless of how many you do. That is so there is one in the middle of the bucket. So many times I've picked up an implement with that single tooth and everything is balanced nicely.

My teeth are under the bucket and will leave marks in the dirt (straight lines) that can be flatten with a back drag of the heel of the bucket. The teeth are much strong when it hooks under the lip.

 

[cqaigy2]

I'm not a big fan of the bolt on, but only because i take them off and put them on fairly often.

 

[m5040]

It is just that welding is so....permanent

 

[BigDaddyEureka]

It is just that welding is so....permanent

Well the gas axe would like to have a word about that...

But yeah, things are never quite the same when you "unweld" stuff for sure.

I'm with the odd number of teeth so there's one in the middle and go bolt on....mostly so I can have that bolt hole (and maybe a couple of friends) to bolt a longer piece of steel on there for some lifting applications. Just don't skimp on the bolt strength!

 

[cqaigy2]

Bolt on tooth bar might be a good compromise.

 

[woodlandfarms]

My teeth bolt on and off and are welded to a long bar. And I would really recommend that method as opposed to welding directly to the bucket. My toothbar is a tooth bar, and it bolts to the side of the bucket, not the bottom. The bar adds a lot of support. I fear that the stock buckets front lip is too thin for permanent teeth and you are going to bend the bucket in short order.

 

[SpringHollow]

I agree with Woodlandfarms (but will never admit it to him).

Anonymous

 

[MossRoad]

Interesting thing... on the PT website they list short bolt-on teeth for the rock bucket for $150 for both the PT425 and PT1430, however, I don't see teeth for any of the machines larger than those. Might want to call PT and see what they say.

I bought the teeth for my rock bucket for our PT425 when I bought it from PT. They were just OK at first. I was kinda disappointed. Then someone here on TBN told me to take a grinder to them and sharpen the leading edge, as they were blunt from the factory. Made a HUGE difference. I really like them now. The side of my garage? Not so much.