Used Value vs Age

[ptsg]

You brought up reliability and repair costs, so I addressed it.

And going back to efficiency, cars and trucks are more capable/efficient than they were 20-50 years ago, what makes them able to benefit from modern designs but tractors can’t benefit?

I get it you don’t like new stuff.

That’s ok.

Current engines could be even more efficient if they weren't being choked at the exhaust with all these emissions stuff.

I'm all for cleaner air but do it in an efficient and reliable way. Don't use us, the little guys, as test rats for their expensive experiences.

 

[espacef1fan]

No, I don’t like new stuff, I LOVE new stuff.
Problem is, I don’t have a faculty lounge salary to afford it, so I buy used.
Benefits: affordable, simpler, more reliable
Drawbacks: less operator comfort, new car smell, bragging rights.

Thanks to recent global events the new and used prices are getting closer to each other by the hour.

 

[espacef1fan]

Current engines could be even more efficient if they weren't being choked at the exhaust with all these emissions stuff.

I'm all for cleaner air but do it in an efficient and reliable way. Don't use us, the little guys, as test rats for their expensive experiences.

Truth be told you would pay for it either way, the company ALWAYS passes r&d cost off to the customer, if they want to stay in the black that is.

 

[Jchonline]

"We need to do all we can to slow climate change and cut emissions"

Do the Chinese, Indians, Russians, etc. feel this way too, or if just "we" do it, the problem will be solved?
The others don't give a hoot about what "we" do!

Correct, but that isn't an excuse for us not doing what is right and setting an example for others. I know it feels futile but since when do we give up because something is hard?

That said I am not really sure emissions in tractors is going to save the planet...but perhaps if every home had solar, we had a decent way to store the excess energy (there would be TONS of excess in a collective grid...but today sorry Li batteries just aren't scalable enough), and most commuter vehicles were electric being powered by said solar/stored energy we would be in a better place.

We don't have the technology to accomplish this yet, but we should absolutely be spending billions to come up with a new power grid. If we don't, we will destroy this planet. No not in 12 years like some people think, but 200....probably.

To think that we are still using the same technology from the 1930s to power our society is just ridiculous.

 

[espacef1fan]

Correct, but that isn't an excuse for us not doing what is right and setting an example for others. I know it feels futile but since when do we give up because something is hard?

That said I am not really sure emissions in tractors is going to save the planet...but perhaps if every home had solar, we had a decent way to store the excess energy (there would be TONS of excess in a collective grid...but today sorry Li batteries just aren't scalable enough), and most commuter vehicles were electric being powered by said solar/stored energy we would be in a better place.

We don't have the technology to accomplish this yet, but we should absolutely be spending billions to come up with a new power grid.

Better take.

Whether you believe in climate change or whatever we all know smog/etc is real.

This emissions equipment has more to do with preventing that than reducing green house emissions.

Also I don’t think electric replacements for ICE engine are viable unless we go nuclear with our power generation.

 

[Jchonline]

Better take.

Whether you believe in climate change or whatever we all know smog/etc is real.

This emissions equipment has more to do with preventing that than reducing green house emissions.

Also I don’t think electric replacements for ICE engine are viable unless we go nuclear with our power generation.

Nuclear is a great option power wise, but the issue is the time it takes to create a viable plant. No one wants to do it because it is way more expensive than currently available NG plants. The ROI is bad. That said, perhaps taxpayers should fund it...but I really hate letting the government manage anything. They just suck at it.

 

[espacef1fan]

Nuclear is a great option power wise, but the issue is the time it takes to create a viable plant. No one wants to do it because it is way more expensive than currently available NG plants. The ROI is bad. That said, perhaps taxpayers should fund it...but I really hate letting the government manage anything. They just suck at it.

There are a lot of newer designs that are much safer that would allow them to be built in smaller plants/greater numbers which should reduce cost.

That said you’d have to convince the same people that are driving this change that nuclear is the only viable green energy we have with today’s technology.

If the climate was in much crisis as they say, I think they would be open to that.

That brings me to a whole other discussion inappropriate for this forum.

 

[Jchonline]

There are a lot of newer designs that are much safer that would allow them to be built in smaller plants/greater numbers which should reduce cost.

That said you’d have to convince the same people that are driving this change that nuclear is the only viable green energy we have with today’s technology.

If the climate was in much crisis as they say, I think they would be open to that.

That brings me to a whole other discussion inappropriate for this forum.

Do you have any info on those smaller design options? I am interested in reading.

 

[espacef1fan]

Check out MSRs(Molten Salt Reactors)

They aren’t unique in that they can be made small.

All reactors can be made reasonably small.(see ships and submarines)

The increased safety of a MSR might allow people to feel better having on nearer to where they live like a coal or gas fired plant which means you can build more of them in a smaller size to take advantage of economy of scale.

 

[Hay Dude]

Nuclear is a great option power wise, but the issue is the time it takes to create a viable plant. No one wants to do it because it is way more expensive than currently available NG plants. The ROI is bad. That said, perhaps taxpayers should fund it...but I really hate letting the government manage anything. They just suck at it.

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