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[Frankenkubota]

The "defund the police" crowd has never been anywhere with no police force.

The "defund the schools" crowd has never been anywhere with no public education.

i think i saw just yesterday that MN supreme court said it was constitutionally ok to defund the police.

 

[goeduck]

The "defund the schools" crowd has never been anywhere with no public education.

I have never heard of anyone saying schools should be defunded. But I know a lot of people that say they are not run with any cost control in mind.

 

[Torvy]

The "defund the police" crowd has never been anywhere with no police force.

The "defund the schools" crowd has never been anywhere with no public education.

I work in public education. It really does need to be torn down. The biggest problem with education provided by a government entity is that everyone thinks they should decide what need a to be taught...administration has grown 8x Faster than actual educators. There is a public good from an educated populace, but government is horrible at service delivery. Public should pay for basic education only. Electives should be eliminated or charge tuition. Better yet, give parents a tax break specifically earmarked for tuition. Parents take that to whomever they choose to teach their kids. The state has basic skills assessments to ensure every citizen has basic reading, math, and civics understanding. Your kids fail the test, strike 1. They fail again and no more public funding. All citizen privileges would be predicated to having passed the tests.

Milwaukee's voucher system worked pretty good. NEA complained, but when we lived in the area the cost of education was about $7000 per student. Voucher was for $5000. School districts had more money because they were effectively getting $2k for every student who opted out. Parents and students won because (most) private schools were more effective in delivering quality education. Taxpayers won because fewer students had to repeat a grade.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

I have never heard of anyone saying schools should be defunded. But I know a lot of people that say they are not run with any cost control in mind.

You heard it here first, then. "Why should I pay school taxes if I don't have any kids?" That is exactly "Defund the schools."

 

[goeduck]

You heard it here first, then. "Why should I pay school taxes if I don't have any kids?" That is exactly "Defund the schools."

No it is not, he just asked a question. With your logic you justified how effectively schools spend their money and the quality of education that they produce.

Check out where we rank according to PEW

U.S. students’ academic achievement still lags that of their peers in many other countries

American students continue to rank around the middle of the pack, and behind many other advanced industrial nations, in international assessments of math, science and reading.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Torvy]

No it is not, he just asked a question. With your logic you justified how effectively schools spend their money and the quality of education that they produce.

Check out where we rank according to PEW

U.S. students’ academic achievement still lags that of their peers in many other countries

American students continue to rank around the middle of the pack, and behind many other advanced industrial nations, in international assessments of math, science and reading.

www.pewresearch.org

I'm no fan of our public schools, but comparisons to other countries are ludicrous. We have universal free education AND that pesky 14th amendment means you have to teach everyone equally. A lot of countries weed out those who are academically incapable or unmotivated. The data only counts those at the top level schools.

 

[goeduck]

I'm no fan of our public schools, but comparisons to other countries are ludicrous. We have universal free education AND that pesky 14th amendment means you have to teach everyone equally. A lot of countries weed out those who are academically incapable or motivated. The data only counts those at the top level schools.

If you are not a fan of our public schools, we are on the same page. Lack of competition (none) breeds inadequacy. Captive source for funds (taxpayer) builds even more inadequacy.

 

[Torvy]

Ironic, since I am a public school teacher...huh?! There are a few teachers who try to fix what they can from the inside. Way too many would never be able to hack a regular job. Most would be fired for attendance problems. Salaried positions, supposed to be professionals... Yikes! Don't get me wrong, there are some good, hardworking teachers, but way too few to change the culture in schools.

 

[goeduck]

cIronic, since I am a public school teacher...huh?! There are a few teachers who try to fix what they can from the inside. Way too many would never be able to hack a regular job. Most would be fired for attendance problems. Salaried positions, supposed to be professionals... Yikes! Don't get me wrong, there are some good, hardworking teachers, but way too few to change the culture in schools.

I appreciate your honesty. There are many, many teachers (one of my nieces and one of my nephews are included) wanting to do the right thing but the system stonewalls them. The interesting aspect is that the non-teaching staff has increased way ahead of the teaching staff (at least locally). What is that all about?

We all need an educated youth and most are pleased to fund that. But wasting the tax dollars is wasting the youth's opportunities in life.

 

[Torvy]

The original idea of non teaching staff was to take administrative tasks off teachers' plates so teachers could maximize time teaching kids. Now, administration thinks its job is to take state or district initiatives and pass the tedium down to teachers. Sometimes, they just don't make sense. A few of us worked 'real' jobs long enough to know that the job of anyone in management is to get stuff off of the plates of the people doing the work. One of the initiatives was to call parents every 6 weeks. As an employed parent, I don't want anyone calling me during the work day unless it is life or death. We have email and texting. They were not even open to the idea of asking the parents. Some of the parents don't speak English. I don't speak enough of anything else to really communicate. I can have someone translate an email. SMH. Remember in HS the kids have at least 5-7 different teachers...we all were supposed to call. As a parent, I would be livid.

 

[Frankenkubota]

I work in public education. It really does need to be torn down. The biggest problem with education provided by a government entity is that everyone thinks they should decide what need a to be taught...administration has grown 8x Faster than actual educators. There is a public good from an educated populace, but government is horrible at service delivery. Public should pay for basic education only. Electives should be eliminated or charge tuition. Better yet, give parents a tax break specifically earmarked for tuition. Parents take that to whomever they choose to teach their kids. The state has basic skills assessments to ensure every citizen has basic reading, math, and civics understanding. Your kids fail the test, strike 1. They fail again and no more public funding. All citizen privileges would be predicated to having passed the tests.

Milwaukee's voucher system worked pretty good. NEA complained, but when we lived in the area the cost of education was about $7000 per student. Voucher was for $5000. School districts had more money because they were effectively getting $2k for every student who opted out. Parents and students won because (most) private schools were more effective in delivering quality education. Taxpayers won because fewer students had to repeat a grade.

Funny, i grew up in Milwaukee county schools.

Shrink the govt and limit their influence.

 

[Torvy]

Funny, i grew up in Milwaukee county schools.

Shrink the govt and limit their influence.

Funny, my 1st student teaching gig was there. Madison HS.

When we left Wisconsin for Texas, our 2nd choice was Eden, NC, up by the VA border.

 

[Frankenkubota]

Funny, my 1st student teaching gig was there. Madison HS.

When we left Wisconsin for Texas, our 2nd choice was Eden, NC, up by the VA border.

I went to Marshall, when they opened Madison it broke up our rock and roll band! Maybe 1964.....?

My ex MIL was from eden nc, she was my favorite from that family. Real nice area......

 

[Larry Caldwell]

The original idea of non teaching staff was to take administrative tasks off teachers' plates so teachers could maximize time teaching kids. Now, administration thinks its job is to take state or district initiatives and pass the tedium down to teachers. Sometimes, they just don't make sense. A few of us worked 'real' jobs long enough to know that the job of anyone in management is to get stuff off of the plates of the people doing the work. One of the initiatives was to call parents every 6 weeks. As an employed parent, I don't want anyone calling me during the work day unless it is life or death. We have email and texting. They were not even open to the idea of asking the parents. Some of the parents don't speak English. I don't speak enough of anything else to really communicate. I can have someone translate an email. SMH. Remember in HS the kids have at least 5-7 different teachers...we all were supposed to call. As a parent, I would be livid.

I have heard that from more than one teacher. My sister did 20 years in the 5th grade. She said the admin meetings were out of hand, and often accomplished nothing but wasting her time.

 

[goeduck]

I have heard that from more than one teacher. My sister did 20 years in the 5th grade. She said the admin meetings were out of hand, and often accomplished nothing but wasting her time.

You heard it here first. "She said the admin meetings were out of hand, and often accomplished nothing but wasting her time" That is exactly "Defund the schools."

 

[ljjhouser]

I also use turbo tax. But I also opt for some extra features , meaning it is not cheaper than other methods. But it is well organized, self checking and presents many options to help getting the best outcome. They now collect information directly from your w2's and other statements which makes it a lot better. I have used them for the last 5 years. I refuse to use H&R BLK. Many years ago, I had them do my business tax and they missed so many deductions I had the file an amended return to get it corrected. But I am sure they must be better now. Anyway, I would hope so.

 

[ljjhouser]

Well, I will also comment. I am a retired teacher. I taught school for 38 years. My wife taught for 30 years and is also retired. I have always been an avid supporter of Public Schools. But over the last 10 years, my opinion has changed dramatically. I see students who are not taught. Our schools here stopped teaching cursive writing - That means they cannot sign their own name, or read the Declaration of Independence. Basic math is no longer taught. We start teaching Algebra in the sixth grade. But since the students don't know basic math, they cannot factor an equation anyway. But they are passed right along. We teach polar coordinates, but not basic math. Shop classes which require project planning and construction costs are no longer provided. And after teaching Algebra for several years, and making it a requirement for many years, wonder why it is the #1 remedial course when a freshman enters college - COLLEGE ALGEBRA. This remedial course is now required in many colleges. So something is wrong.

There are some important ideas are missing today. Administrators are supposed to be Educational Leaders, not managers. Education doesn't work like a production line. Many, Many times in meeting with faculty advisory committee, when we could not resolve an issue, We would ask "What is best for the students." THAT statement has not been a part of the conversation for about ten years now.

After many years of teaching, I have a theory. I, the teacher, Works for the students, The administrator, works for me to provide an educational experience for my students, The downtown office works for the administrator so that I receive the support needed to EDUCATE my students so THEY can succeed.
What a novel idea, we all should work for the students in our class. Who would have ever thought of that. I HATE it when I hear an administrator say "I'll never go back to the classroom". Anyone who doesn't want to educate students should not be in education. I love working in the classroom. That is where the tire meets the road ........Or not.
Sorry to be off topic. Couldn't resist it. Best wishes, Larry

 

[goeduck]

^^^ I appreciate your honestly and your dedication to our students. Beyond that all I can say is WOW! I had no idea things had declined to this state in recent years (kids have been out of K12 for a while).

 

[ljjhouser]

^^^ I appreciate your honestly and your dedication to our students. Beyond that all I can say is WOW! I had no idea things had declined to this state in recent years (kids have been out of K12 for a while).

Thanks. It is disappointing for me as well as many other dedicated educators in the profession. There is so much to say, but not here. I know that parents and even district board members do not know as much as they should about the progress of their child's education. Parents are busy. Some work two or three jobs to make ends meet. They trust us to know how help children succeed. And we do. But some things are off track.

I am glad that the state, just this year, has required school districts to again teach cursive writing. After almost a decade of students have not been taught. That is a step forward for the students.
Anyway, thanks for the interest. A subject dear to my heart. Best Wishes, Larry

 

[Torvy]

I know that parents and even district board members do not know as much as they should about the progress of their child's education.

I am glad that the state, just this year, has required school districts to again teach cursive writing. After almost a decade of students have not been taught.

Both of these are too true. English teachers are too busy trying to teach social studies to bother with grammar. Then we have to spend time trying to clear away their bias from actual facts.

I have my students write by hand frequently. I don't have class time to teach them cursive, but I encourage them to learn. Brains science has show it is superior to printing in information retention.

Thanks for your dedication.