Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

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Yet his comment addresses the elephant in the room. We can switch fuel sources and/or do a myriad of other “feel good” attempts but nobody will admit the real cause; a growing population is putting more and more strain on finite resources.
With Europe and China population numbers heading into a nose dive that should free up resources down the road.

With the move to EVs like at Hertz it's clear the EV tipping point is being reached.

Losing the skill sets and labor of the baby boomers generation is hurting us all.

Paradigm shifts are hard on the brain.
 
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With Europe and China population numbers heading into a nose dive that should free up resources down the road.

With the move to EVs like at Hertz it's clear the EV tipping point is being reached.

Losing the skill sets and labor of the baby boomers generation is hurting us all.

Paradigm shifts are hard on the brain.
Yet not all of us believe that the shift to EV's is "environmentally friendly" in the long run. I believe that we should stop sending our environmental problems overseas. If the point source pollution isn't acceptable here then it shouldn't be acceptable anywhere.
 
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Yet not all of us believe that the shift to EV's is "environmentally friendly" in the long run. I believe that we should stop sending our environmental problems overseas. If the point source pollution isn't acceptable here then it shouldn't be acceptable anywhere.
Yet you believe new gas and diesel car engine production will stop over the next 25 years?
 
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Yet not all of us believe that the shift to EV's is "environmentally friendly" in the long run. I believe that we should stop sending our environmental problems overseas. If the point source pollution isn't acceptable here then it shouldn't be acceptable anywhere.

Here is a view from California that might interest you in your position.
 
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From the article=

The 116th Congress is weighing potential policy mechanisms to reduce the impact of climate change and cap global warming to an internationally agreed upon target of no more than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit.

Yeah, right. They can't control a budget even with 40 Harvard educated MBA's in Congress.
 
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Not a Tesla golf cart but the Tesla of golf carts . . . .Hmm.
 
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Not a Tesla golf cart but the Tesla of golf carts . . . .Hmm.

That 15 year battery sounds like a piece of art.

Of the current lithium ion choices lfp has to be number one today for my usage. Can you imagine buying a car today and a battery still being good in 2036. Commuters will be parking their ICE cars because they will be too costly to fuel and maintain.
 
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Yet his comment addresses the elephant in the room. We can switch fuel sources and/or do a myriad of other “feel good” attempts but nobody will admit the real cause; a growing population is putting more and more strain on finite resources.
Another stress point is the steady, albeit slow, development of the third world countries, which is also where most of the population growth is happening. They want things like electric lights and regular meals, while profiteers use up their fresh water and mineral resources. It looks like we will have to find food, shelter, and water for another 2 billion people in the next 30 years.

I see the coming train wreck as the real problem. Market capitalism is a metastable system, with a long history of destroying and reconstructing itself. There are solutions out there, but many do not promise to be profitable. Some of our problems, like the copper shortage, have mostly been resolved by miniaturization and recycling. Our energy problems have clear solutions that are only obstructed by politics. Other problems have a hard barrier, like the food supply. Brazil is converting a million acres of the Amazon to farm land a year. In 30 years, there won't be any Amazon left to convert.

The world will be faced with financial and social unrest. What are the politics of hundreds of millions of people starving to death in a single year? All it would take is Mother Nature to roll snake eyes on world food production, and we would be there now. In 30 years, it will be many times worse. Some idiot will probably start a war. What happens when navies start sinking shipping to their military opponents? The US has lost its manufacturing base. Imagine a world without all those container ships stacked up in our ports. Converting our transportation base to EVs would be really tough with our economy in shambles.

All we can do is deal with current conditions, even though we see immense problems in front of us. EV or ICE will be a choice for at least 15 years. If you plan on living longer than that, buy a bicycle.
 
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EV or ICE will be a choice for at least 15 years. If you plan on living longer than that, buy a bicycle.
Over time as the options become more readily available the former will be more and more affordable. Switching over now as some appear to advocate (Not necessarily on TBN) will indeed result in food and supply shortages which we haven't seen in nearly 80 years.
I don't think that a lot of people realize how much of our food and supply chain rely on diesel, while our electric supply is dependent on NG and coal.
 
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