Cheap FEL cylinders keep bending

[CoThG]

Post from another forum:

Last year there was an unfortunate incident where my old Massey was left out of gear and rolled about 30' down a slight incline and split in half at the transmission. 5 Months later it was finally repaired for over $10k and we just said the hell with it and traded it in for this new 2750e. Needless to say it has been nothing but a nightmare. First day I had it I bent both of the hydraulic cylinders pushing debris. I accepted my fate and spent the $1000 to get them replaced (been 6 months) and within 3 hours I bent the new ones while using the stump bucket the sales manager told me to buy to get the most out of my tractor. Have you guys ever seen anything like this? I will be going in to the dealer tomorrow to discuss the options, but it bends simply by tilting the bucket down. I was sick to my stomach when it happened. I was able to "straighten" them back out, but as you will see in the video they bind and bend the moment you put any downward curl pressure on them. I'm not crazy to think this is completely unacceptable right? The video shows exactly how I had bent it not 5 minutes before.

Here is a video of them bending.

https://imgur.com/JYut2PL

 

[alexpops]

Geometry looks wrong to me. No triangles, the cylinders are almost parallel to the loader frame, so to set the stump digger in position to get under the stump, the whole load is levered into the cylinder when it's fully extended & at it's weakest. Don't see how it wouldn't bend. Was the stump bucket a Massey design for this tractor or for something bigger? (or simply something they had in stock to sell?) Also looks "big" for the tractor & the pivot point seems too close to the ears where the cylinders attach..

 

[CoThG]

Geometry looks wrong to me. No triangles, the cylinders are almost parallel to the loader frame, so to set the stump digger in position to get under the stump, the whole load is levered into the cylinder when it's fully extended & at it's weakest. Don't see how it wouldn't bend. Was the stump bucket a Massey design for this tractor or for something bigger? (or simply something they had in stock to sell?) Also looks "big" for the tractor & the pivot point seems too close to the ears where the cylinders attach..

The stump bucket is aftermarket.

 

[seniornukect]

If you zoom on the FEL, mine has a pivot point just behind the bucket that I don't see in yours. My FEL is a 2611, not sure the model makes a difference, but it should be the same since yours has the quick attach also.

Nevermind, just looked at the stock photos of the 2815, and they are all direct linked like that.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

THAT bucket shouldn't even be on that tractor... No wonder they bent...

SR

 

[alexpops]

Don't know how important "good relations" with that dealer are to you, but if it was me, I'd be ready to escalate this as high as needed to get them to eat the cost of the original replacements, the new replacements, & take back that stump bucket & credit you for your cost against other implements that you can actually use. You bought & used the implement based on the salesman's advise & it's breaking your tractor.

 

[LittleBill21]

THAT bucket shouldn't even be on that tractor... No wonder they bent...

SR

watching the video he curled down? what exactly would be the difference if there was a normal bucket on it,

seems like pressure relief is too high, but that is a weird design for sure.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

For starters, like was already mentioned, the attachment points are all wrong for that tractor.

Also, that bucket sticks out much further than a regular bucket and puts WAAAY too much torque on that undersized tractors loader.

SR

 

[LittleBill21]

For starters, like was already mentioned, the attachment points are all wrong for that tractor.

Also, that bucket sticks out much further than a regular bucket and puts WAAAY too much torque on that undersized tractors loader.

SR

if you watch the video, did he even get the tires off the ground, i agree there is more torque, but the pin points are the same as a normal bucket, i don't see how this would be any different with a normal bucket on it, the damage would occur in the middle of the bucket as thats where there ismore torque. I don't see how there is more torque on the pins. The front should just lift.

looking at pictures on google, this is a default design for this tractor. it had to make it through r&d.

 

[daman1]

I don't care what bucket is on it somthing is wrong!!, them cyls should not be bending, there is a fault in the rods, undersized or not hardend properly, they look undersized to me, the older cb65 sub compacts bh had the same issue with the dipper cyl, new revised cyls were issued and problem was solved.

 

[LittleBill21]

I don't care what bucket is on it somthing is wrong!!, them cyls should not be bending, there is a fault in the rods, undersized or not hardend properly, they look undersized to me, the older cb65 sub compacts bh had the same issue with the dipper cyl, new revised cyls were issued and problem was solved.

i agree, even pressure relief should be stopping them before allowing them to get to that point

 

[daman1]

Correct

 

[Sawyer Rob]

I'm not going to argue about the quality of the cyl. rods, they aren't here for me to see in person, but I still say that bucket is on too small/lightly built tractor and I don't care what the brand is.

Those buckets put huge torque on a loader and should be on a larger sized tractor.

SR

 

[LittleBill21]

Those buckets put huge torque on a loader and should be on a larger sized tractor.

SR

I will agree with that statement IF he had let go of the control stick and bounced it, if you watch the video to the end, you can see where he lets go of the downforce, why isn't the tractor going into pressure relief. that's my issue.

 

[Aquamoose]

Oh so many things jumps out at me after seeing all the images…

Notice the holes… why are they unused?

When it should have these brackets in place like these…

Somebody screwed up at the dealership.

 

[LittleBill21]

Oh so many things jumps out at me after seeing all the images…

There SHOULDN’T be cylinders that look like that. It looks modified to “fit”.

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Notice the holes… why are they unused?

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When it should have these brackets in place like these…

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Somebody screwed up at the dealership.

that appears factory...

https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/farm-equipment/for-sale/200153011/2021-massey-ferguson-2860e

 

[4570Man]

Buy a CTL and stop treating your tractor like one.

 

[5030]

Poop happens...lol

 

[Aquamoose]

that appears factory...

https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/farm-equipment/for-sale/200153011/2021-massey-ferguson-2860e

I’m surprised.

 

[Aquamoose]

The combination of no triangulation brackets, fully extended cylinders, and large forces acting on the stump digger is a recipe for trouble.

That stump digger certainly looks it’s designed for skid steers.