Buying crushed rock -- new MSHA rules?

[funnyfarmdh]

Hooked up the Big Tex dump trailer to get a load of 5/8 yesterday. When i got to the pit where i have bought for 30 years i was told by dispatch that MSHA prohibits anyone without a contractors license from being in the pit or buyIng rock. I maintain 1/4 mile gravel road. Anyone else heard about such nonsense?

 

[Bill Guenthner]

I just have it delivered and the driver spreads it. The delivery fee is less than my time is worth. I had 30 tons delivered last year and I think the delivery fee was like 80 bucks.

 

[funnyfarmdh]

I just have it delivered in tandem truckload and the driver spreads it. The delivery fee is less than my time is worth.

I do that every couple years but in between i get a load to fix the few potholes that appear after winter. A truck and transfer load runs about $700. I can haul 3 tons in my trailer and save the hauling fee. I keep a small pile around for small projects. Thanks.

 

[Bill Guenthner]

I do that every couple years but in between i get a load to fix the few potholes that appear after winter. A truck and transfer load runs about $700. I can haul 3 tons in my trailer and save the hauling fee. I keep a small pile around for small projects. Thanks.

Gravel is a lot cheaper here. Two quarries within a half hour. Because it's cheap I put it on heavy enough that I can pull excess into any ruts. I also don't lose much anymore but it took a lot of gravel to build it to the point that it holds.

 

[newbury]

Hooked up the Big Tex dump trailer to get a load of 5/8 yesterday. When i got to the pit where i have bought for 30 years i was told by dispatch that MSHA prohibits anyone without a contractors license from being in the pit or buyIng rock. I maintain 1/4 mile gravel road. Anyone else heard about such nonsense?

Anybody got more info on this rule?
What's the easiest way to get a contractors license?

 

[Bill Guenthner]

I don't think our quarry has ever allowed retail customers to pick up. DOT registered carriers only.

 

[oosik]

Thirty, or so, years ago I asked for a bid to resurface my driveway. Mile long by fourteen feet wide. $26K. I'll make do with what I have. Lord only know what today's price would be.

 

[ultrarunner]

I run into this more...

Quarry, Equipment Rentals, etc requiring contractor license to rent... all about liability so I was told.

 

[Oaktree]

I don't think our quarry has ever allowed retail customers to pick up. DOT registered carriers only.

Same here. I've picked up the occasional trailer load of topsoil/mulch/manure, but that's it. I doubt many who aren't DOT carriers have equipment capable of safely hauling stone or gravel.

I run into this more...

Quarry, Equipment Rentals, etc requiring contractor license to rent... all about liability so I was told.

Do you mean even renting a mini-excavator to do yard work? Hope it never gets that bad here.

 

[MossRoad]

As someone mentioned, it's probably insurance and liability reasons... or....

They just don't want to bother with small potato customers anymore.

 

[newbury]

Anybody got more info on this rule?
What's the easiest way to get a contractors license?

So I called my local Northern Virginia rock&sand yard. I can pick up an F350 load anytime.

 

[63DH8]

Hooked up the Big Tex dump trailer to get a load of 5/8 yesterday. When i got to the pit where i have bought for 30 years i was told by dispatch that MSHA prohibits anyone without a contractors license from being in the pit or buyIng rock. I maintain 1/4 mile gravel road. Anyone else heard about such nonsense?

I'm also in Washington State, near Yelm. What pit did you go to? You caught my interest as I have a 1,000 yard long driveway that I need gravel for.

 

[4570Man]

Anybody got more info on this rule?
What's the easiest way to get a contractors license?

One of my buddies runs a loader in a quarry. They don’t like loading dump trailers but they will do it. I think the quarry made up that rule and blamed it on msha. Especially since most truck drivers don’t have a contractors license. Getting a contractors license is fairly hard and fairly expensive. That option is off the table to haul a couple loads of rock.

 

[ultrarunner]

Same here. I've picked up the occasional trailer load of topsoil/mulch/manure, but that's it. I doubt many who aren't DOT carriers have equipment capable of safely hauling stone or gravel.

Do you mean even renting a mini-excavator to do yard work? Hope it never gets that bad here.

Most recent was a Bandit 65 Chipper…

It was in the rental fleet and for sale.

I was thinking of buying and the deal was rent it and if I decided to buy the rental cost applied to purchase.

The chipper was hitched to my truck and my credit card charged including damage waiver and a copy of my Driver License.

I was leaving the yard and flagged down to return to office.

The counter guy said I forgot to make a copy of my contractor license.

When I said I don’t contract he said I could not rent but no problem selling!

Spent the next half hour unhooking and cancelling the transaction… mind you I had called in advance to reserve the chipper with my credit card.

This was with the local Bandit Franchise…

 

[ultrarunner]

I'm also in Washington State, near Yelm. What pit did you go to? You caught my interest as I have a 1,000 yard long driveway that I need gravel for.

Me too… near Olympia and wonder if my trailer loads will be a problem.

Local rental yard has minimum tow requirements to eliminate casual users…

Had to go home and get my old C20 pickup because Diesel Excursion with 12k hitch deemed to be SUV and not a truck… go figure?

 

[crashz]

Probably an insurance requirement, MSHA has not authority over private citizens.

 

[woody]

I just hauled 5 ton last week, I hope they don't start that here.

 

[Hay Dude]

One of my buddies runs a loader in a quarry. They don’t like loading dump trailers but they will do it. I think the quarry made up that rule and blamed it on msha. Especially since most truck drivers don’t have a contractors license. Getting a contractors license is fairly hard and fairly expensive. That option is off the table to haul a couple loads of rock.

I think its $50 bucks and a 1-page form in PA. Not much to it.
Most, not all Quarries dislike loading small contractors trucks.

 

[Username Taken]

Probably an insurance requirement, MSHA has not authority over private citizens.

Insurance Companies don't make rules like that. It's an invention by businesses to get their customers to do what they want. It is THEIR rule, not the Insurance Company's rule. 99 times out of 100

 

[4get gto]

I think its $50 bucks and a 1-page form in PA. Not much to it.
Most, not all Quarries dislike loading small contractors trucks.

Is that $50 one and done or per year ?