Broke 2 Oil filter wrenches

[sem389]

My first fluid change on my DK4510 was similar. Broke a new strap wrench, a different on slipped. Finally went and got a pair of Channellock filter pliers and that was that.
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That’s what I used too

 

[billypumper]

Actually, not. The filters are installed prior to final chassis paint and the painted filter locks it on. Real common. I never bother with a filter wrench, put a pan under the filter, take a long handled alignment punch, drive it through the body and lever it off. Been doing it that way on every new tractor I've purchased for years now. Once you change it, the next one will come off easily. The paint is holding it on, nothing else.

 

[billypumper]

I discovered those were the only thing that could reach in past the rats-nest of loader hoses to loosen the fuel filter bowl ring on my Yanmar.

I to own a filter wrench similar but it's not Channelock, I can't imagine a chain wrench slipping, if you set it up near where it's screwed on it will bite, I use a cheater with that long handle of a chain wrench, come or blead.

 

[rScotty]

I to own a filter wrench similar but it's not Channelock, I can't imagine a chain wrench slipping, if you set it up near where it's screwed on it will bite, I use a cheater with that long handle of a chain wrench, come or blead.

Maybe that works on Deeres, and if you have room for a strap style wrench you are lucky.

The problem on some Kubotas is that there isn't enough room to slide a chain wrench or strap wrench onto the the HST filters. The filters are in a recess with only a few inches protruding. You can't use large pliers for the same reason. There just is not enough room to grab and turn.

Usually that's not a problem unless the filter is put on too tightly or stuck for some reason.
rScotty

 

[Raul-02]

The charge filters are always a bear if installed correctly.

I'd like a torque spec. Can't find one in the manual

 

[RidgeHiker]

My idiot ex wife wanted a Saab. She thought they looked cool. It drove all right, could go like a bat out of hell.
I had to do the water pump.
To access the water pump, required I drop the tranny and lift the engine. Yah, for the water pump.
It would only accept one model of Continental tires ( the most expensive model).

I got rid of that car with the witch.

Some years ago my wife wanted a Saab. She like more uncommon cars. We had to drive quite far to demo it. Took my first Toyota Tundra, maybe a 2001 (??). We immediately gave up on the Saab after realizing the Tundra rode better than the Saab and was nicer to drive. A reflection of both vehicles.

 

[RidgeHiker]

Perhaps this has already been discussed since I have not read the entire thread. There is a lot of talk about what to look for when buying a tractor, reliability, quality, weight, loader capacities, comfort, dealer quality, etc. I don't recall any mention of how easy it will be to maintain and work on. Am adding this to my list. Would not be able to take filters off on a prospective new tractor to assess difficulty to remove but certainly could look at how easy access would be, for example

 

[BnRidge]

Just picked up a strap filter tool and the channel lock #215 filter wrench. On a ck4010 hst, the strap worked to loosen the engine filter, and the channel lock wrench was able to get hold of both hydraulic filters to break those loose. There was enough room at the base of all these to get a firm grip and fairly easily first time off get them to rotate.

 

[rScotty]

I'd like a torque spec. Can't find one in the manual

Ah, yes. At first glance it seems that a torque spec would be handy, but that is probably not the way to go. Though it is easy to see how that conclusion comes about when the original filters put on by the manufacturers are universally way too tight and in some cases appear to be stuck with either paint of adhesives.
Once you get that original one off, you can improve how the replacement filter will fit in the future.

The way replacement filters are designed to seal is not by thread compression (torque) - but by how much a rubber ring is compressed when tightening the threads a certain amount from first contact. A clean surface with some oil on the O ring helps, a light smear of the right type of grease is even better.

If you are the curious type, measure the thread pitch of the mount and compare that with the height of the uncompressed rubber ring. That will give an idea of how much compression that the replacement filter is designed for. That is probably a better way to look at it and a more useful spec. than torque.
rScotty

 

[California]

measure the thread pitch of the mount and compare that with the height of the uncompressed rubber ring. That will give an idea of how much compression that the replacement filter is designed for.

So the filter spec of 'snug then 3/4 turn' (etc) is a shorthand way of describing how much compression is intended. No need for a torque spec.

 

[tomplum]

Most I come across will say 2/3 or 3/4 turn past contact. Some hydro filters will note 3/4-1 turn.

 

[alpha&omega]

I’m telling you guys, where all others have failed, this wrench did not. Not only can you get it into the tightest of spaces, but you don’t have to mess with running a punch/screwdriver through the filter and risk having the filter break.
This filter wrench worked where the cup style and even the spring style wrench. I liked it so much I bought a second smaller one for working on cars/trucks.



https://www.jm3oilfilterwrench.com/collections/all

 

[gstrom99]

I’m telling you guys, where all others have failed, this wrench did not. Not only can you get it into the tightest of spaces, but you don’t have to mess with running a punch/screwdriver through the filter and risk having the filter break.
This filter wrench worked where the cup style and even the spring style wrench. I liked it so much I bought a second smaller one for working on cars/trucks.

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https://www.jm3oilfilterwrench.com/collections/all

Interesting designs. I looked thru most of their website and didn't see a location or contact phone, only an email type "contact us", which I'm leery of.

Where are they?

 

[alpha&omega]

Interesting designs. I looked thru most of their website and didn't see a location or contact phone, only an email type "contact us", which I'm leery of.

Where are they?

They are JM3. I met them out at SEMA in Vegas. They had a booth set up and were demonstrating their new product. After trying it out and hearing that they were making all different sizes to accommodate vehicles with small oil filters all the way up to XL filters on turbo Diesel engines I knew there would be one that fit my tractor and one for my truck.
They are a legitimate company. If you feel leery about it because they are a small start-up com, use PayPal and then your sale is covered even if the seller flakes or something goes wrong (other than you not liking “said product” you purchase from “said company”, in which case you would have to return “said product” to “said company” first in order to receive a refund - and possibly paying a restocking fee *drives me a little bonkers with some companies that you have to pay return shipping and restocking. That sounds like a whole bucket of NOPES!)
I can’t speak on the latter for JM3, as the two wrenches I purchased work great and therefore will not be returned.

 

[rScotty]

I’m telling you guys, where all others have failed, this wrench did not. Not only can you get it into the tightest of spaces, but you don’t have to mess with running a punch/screwdriver through the filter and risk having the filter break.
This filter wrench worked where the cup style and even the spring style wrench. I liked it so much I bought a second smaller one for working on cars/trucks.

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https://www.jm3oilfilterwrench.com/collections/all

Hmmm.....interesting design, but seems to have the same problem as so many of the "solutions" have, which is they only work for filters where the body of the filter is accessible from the side. And also there needs to be room for your hand. Lots of filters don't have that kind of accessibilty.

On the type of wrench you have pictured, how do you attach a long bar for the required leverage?
rScotty

 

[alpha&omega]

Hmmm.....interesting design, but seems to have the same problem as so many of the "solutions" have, which is they only work for filters where the body of the filter is accessible from the side. And also there needs to be room for your hand. Lots of filters don't have that kind of accessibilty.

On the type of wrench you have pictured, how do you attach a long bar for the required leverage?
rScotty

That’s the thing. You don’t need leverage. The tool does all the work for you. The spring assisted design breaks the filter free when it engages loosening it up to then be removed by hand.
Just for reference - as a way to test out my new purchase against their claims, I asked a friend of mine who owns an excavation company if I could use an old piece of equipment to experiment on. So he picked an ancient crane he his grandfather owned and some tractor that had to have been older than Noah’s Ark. To make things interesting he beat an old filter onto the tractor engine…and I mean BEAT it on there. No oil to lube the old gasket, just whatever burnt oil may or may not have been in the filter. Fired it up for a bit to let it get hot and then just let it sit out to get rained on for a year. The heat, the cold, from frozen nights to hot days. Granted the cranes engine wasn’t running, but the filter had been used on the engine before it was parked. That one was a lot more difficult to get to, and my first option would have been a cup filter wrench or a spring style wrench. Nonetheless, I was bound and determined to finish our experiment, so I used it on both and it performed flawlessly.
My only complaint is the actual “fit and finish” of the wrenches. I opted for ones off the shelf instead of custom made, custom engraved/etched wrench and as such they were a bit unfinished and required a small file on a couple spots to make them operate a bit smoother and not want to dig into your hand while finagling them into tight spots. *I have no affiliation with the company and received no discounts or compensation for my story (brought to you in part by Pfizer…only kidding. Seriously, I’m just a guy sharing my knowledge about a tool I ran across that made my life that much easier - definitely worth the purchase).

 

[alpha&omega]

Hmmm.....interesting design, but seems to have the same problem as so many of the "solutions" have, which is they only work for filters where the body of the filter is accessible from the side. And also there needs to be room for your hand. Lots of filters don't have that kind of accessibilty.

On the type of wrench you have pictured, how do you attach a long bar for the required leverage?
rScotty

Take a look at the video I posted earlier in this thread. You will get a better idea as to how it works with regards to the “required leverage”. I was totally skeptical as well, hence the previous story where it was put to the test.

 

[stuckmotor]

It's very difficult for me to resist over tightening an oil filter.