Why isn't anyone talking about the Deutz Fahr 5080d?

[letthegoodpinesroll]

I was about to order a Yanmar TY359C ($52K) and stopped by my local tractor store and saw this 5080d. It was about $5000 more but it is a 75Hp tractor vs. a 59hp in the Yanmar and comes with a lot of higher-end features. I could really use the larger tractor but I can't really find my chatter about it. Seems like a very legit unit and a lot more tractor for this price range (2022 DEUTZ FAHR 5080D for $55K). I am in Idaho, have 82 acres of hills, granite and a lot of trees. I will be doing a ton of roadwork, including cutting some new ones, a lot of cutting/carrying trees and snowplow/snowblower on some fairly steep roads in the winter, we get about 4 to 5 feet per year.

I appreciate any thoughts, this is a huge decision and I just want to get it right.

https://deutz-fahramerica.com/tractors/5d-keyline/

 

[mikester]

Nice looking tractors and I've seen a few around, I don't have a clue about parts and service availability.

I've seen a lot more Fendt's lately. Nice looking machines, I've seen them advertised with 3 year no down time guarantee warranties

Fendt 300 Vario | Tractors

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[Rustyiron]

I'm only aware of them (Deutz) re entering the US market very recently (2 years?). They're good tractor's and have been at it for a long time. I don't think you'll regret having a heavier tractor with more HP. That said, Yanmar makes fine tractors and compact construction equipment as well and also has pulled in and out of the market over the years.
I'd have a conversation with the dealership over this matter.
An uneducated guess is it's very difficult setting up a dealer network, especially theses days with the evolution and manufacturers encouragement of the mega dealerships gobbling up the smaller dealers.

 

[Hay Dude]

Fendt is the best quality tractor built in the world. They are an AGCO brand. Bought the entire tractor company in the late 90’s. Fendt’s technology was then shared with Massey Ferguson & Challenger, also AGCO brands. I am switching mostly to their brands.
Fendt tractors are equipped with MANN and DEUTZ engines. Deutz is a very old & trusted tractor brand. I would have no hesitation buying one. It will be very high quality.
If Fendt uses Deutz engines, you can trust them. I took over farming from an old farmer who recently passed. he had a deutz tractor and loved it.

 

[oldnslo]

Does Deutz still use air cooled diesel or have they switched to water cooled. My uncle had two air cooled models in 70’s & 80’s both very good tractors. I think one of them had oil pan heater for cold weather starts. He rarely had issue with not starting even when temp was well below zero.

 

[bullbreaker]

Yanmar great products , but for some extra if dealer near with part support etcI like the Duetz F 5080D . Closer to 80 hp. I would think they still using air cooled technology which would be good for that cooler Idaho climate . No Def on those also I believe.

 

[Mooseman1616]

I see a lot of Deutz tractors in central PA. They look like a really decent machine. For 5k more, you get a lot more tractor for your money so that would weigh really heavily on me if I were making the decision. Things to consider: warranty, dealer service department capabilities and reputation, German engineering vs Asian engineering. I don't know if tractor engineering logic follows automotive engineering logic, but I love German vehicles. Have owned a lot of VW's and Audi's. But I also had to learn to work on them, buy special tools (triple square sockets, VAGCOM, etc), and tinker with the "superior" German electrical systems. I still love them for all of their idiosyncrasies, and yet, all my vehicles at the moment are Asian - Mitsubishi, Kia, and Nissan - all of them seem more robust and have required less "tinkering" than all of my German vehicles......this is cars though, I don't know what the reputation of Deutz or really even modern Yanmars (I own a 1980's 226d). With all that said, I think if it were my decision though, I'd be going for the Deutz.

 

[arrow]

I'd stick with the Yanmar.
More circulating, lesser impact of whatever direction the European economy ventures to and better dealer support mechanisms. 60" of snow per year is not excessive but it depends how you remove the snow.
Plowing-weight is king and you can weigh down the Yanmar pretty well with ballast, chains, etc. enough to move the amount of snow you get
blowing-hp is king.
Either tractor will do the rest of your jobs.
Depends how quickly you wish to get them done.

 

[letthegoodpinesroll]

Does Deutz still use air cooled diesel or have they switched to water cooled. My uncle had two air cooled models in 70’s & 80’s both very good tractors. I think one of them had oil pan heater for cold weather starts. He rarely had issue with not starting even when temp was well below zero.

This is water-cooled, thanks!

 

[letthegoodpinesroll]

Fendt is the best quality tractor built in the world. They are an AGCO brand. Bought the entire tractor company in the late 90’s. Fendt’s technology was then shared with Massey Ferguson & Challenger, also AGCO brands. I am switching mostly to their brands.
Fendt tractors are equipped with MANN and DEUTZ engines. Deutz is a very old & trusted tractor brand. I would have no hesitation buying one. It will be very high quality.
If Fendt uses Deutz engines, you can trust them. I took over farming from an old farmer who recently passed. he had a deutz tractor and loved it.

I don't have a a Fendt dealer/service in my area and the $55k price point is likely below what a Fendt costs for a 75hp unit. Thanks though.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Air cooling went away when the treehugger crowd got "noise" pollution regs into place.

Water cooled diesels are much quieter...

SR

 

[CalG]

I recently had very good service from D-F parts for my SAME Deutz-Farr Tractor.

Had to come from overseas, took about two weeks. (an axle and differential component.)

 

[ericm979]

Air cooling went away when the treehugger crowd got "noise" pollution regs into place.

Water cooled diesels are much quieter...

SR

I can't find any noise regulations for off road diesels. Could you post a link?

I could see manufacturers going to water cooled for emissions reasons, as water cooling gives better control of combustion chamber temperatures and that affects emissions. There's some motorcycle manufacturers (Harley being the most well known example) who went to water cooling primarily for emissions reasons.

In vehicle design there's a three way battle between power, size/weight, and noise. You can make good power and be quiet but then you need big mufflers and airboxes (and maybe water cooling or other engine changes). If muffler size is restricted and the vehicle needs to be quiet then it's going to make less power. Harley had this problem for a long time. With a tractor, keeping weight low is not an issue and space isn't much of one either. So it's possible to make good power with low noise.

One of the things I like about my tractor is that it's quiet. At least when it's not powering the PTO chipper.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

I have no idea if there's a link to everything in this world, but I was told by a Deutz exect. that noise was the reason, that was a LONG time ago. Pretty much all of the air-cooled diesels went away at about the same time, so...

Personally, I MUCH prefer air/oil cooled diesels over liquid cooled and I have several of them in use.

SR

 

[Hay Dude]

I don't have a a Fendt dealer/service in my area and the $55k price point is likely below what a Fendt costs for a 75hp unit. Thanks though.

Not suggesting you buy a Fendt. I’m suggesting that since Fendt uses Deutz engines, that you would do well in a Deutz Fahr tractor.

 

[ptsg]

Air cooled diesel engines went away because of emissions, not noise. The only loud ones are the single and two cylinder ones, but so are the water cooled ones. Emissions "killed" yet another series of great engines. Those air cooled engines were way overbuilt and ran literally forever with basic maintenance. They were so easy to work on or even rebuild.

To the OP, that's definitely a great tractor. Congrats! That tractor has actual front brakes built in inside the final drives and most likely a front diff lock.

 

[Number15]

I can't find any noise regulations for off road diesels. Could you post a link?

I could see manufacturers going to water cooled for emissions reasons, as water cooling gives better control of combustion chamber temperatures and that affects emissions. There's some motorcycle manufacturers (Harley being the most well known example) who went to water cooling primarily for emissions reasons.

In vehicle design there's a three way battle between power, size/weight, and noise. You can make good power and be quiet but then you need big mufflers and airboxes (and maybe water cooling or other engine changes). If muffler size is restricted and the vehicle needs to be quiet then it's going to make less power. Harley had this problem for a long time. With a tractor, keeping weight low is not an issue and space isn't much of one either. So it's possible to make good power with low noise.

One of the things I like about my tractor is that it's quiet. At least when it's not powering the PTO chipper.

New common rail diesel engines are quieter because of pilot injection. Pilot injection is mainly used for emissions but it also reduces diesel clatter. Diesel with the older style injection, like on my Branson are still noisy

Investigations of Closely Coupled Pilot and Main Injections as a Means to Reduce Combustion Noise. (Conference) | OSTI.GOV

The U.S. Department of Energy's Office of Scientific and Technical Information

www.osti.gov

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[letthegoodpinesroll]

Thanks for all the great feedback, I have decided to buy the 5080d. It has a nice Stoll loader on it.

Unfortunately, after the local dealer (1.5 hours away) said they had one, after I got there they told me it never arrived and when it does it sold. All that said, I found one in Washington and just have to finalize all the attachments and financing on Monday. Not really happy with the attachments they quoted, not familiar with the brand, but at first glance the quality doesn't seem to be there. I would welcome any comments. Here they are Whole Goods

 

[Rustyiron]

Congratulations!
Do you ever see the attachments "pop up" for sale at auctions or Craigslist, etc.? The quoted (attachments) prices would seem to be top of the line name brands. If the forks and grapple are built similarly to the unit's pictured.... pretty wimpy backstop on the forks that look like it's built as a "step through" type for a SS with a little center section added for loaders. The grapple is a single lid and who knows how heavily built it is. Grappling is one activity that is naturally subject to abuse of both the grapple and the tractor's loader and better be built like a brick.
The $200 package discount... I wouldn't know to laugh or cry, insulted might be the proper reaction.
Sorry for the downer on the attachments, but from the link it looks like typical TSC chit, just double the price. You'll enjoy your tractor for sure!

 

[Hay Dude]

Just buy tractor & loader from dealer. The loader seems very low priced. Forks seem fairly priced. Blade & grapple look overpriced, even with the $2000 discount