Mixing used oil with diesel in the tractor.

[oldpilot]

>If you really have a lot of used motor and hydraulic oils it may be worth your while to buy or build a waste oil heater for your house.

The filling station / garage I used to rely on had one of these furnaces. Worked a charm. Then the young man who ran the station had it sold out from under him by his father, and it's now an upscale grocery/meat store. I followed Jay to his "new" shop behind the railroad tracks, but alas he is no longer young and indeed retired a couple months ago, sigh.

 

[DaveinValdez]

"you would think that the tankers arriving there in Valdez - could come loaded with refined petroleum products. They could off-load these products and then take on crude oil."

The tankers come in with sea water in them for ballast. We actually have a refinery that makes low sulfur diesel, jet fuel and heating oil. Most of that goes to the military bases. We import gas that comes in on tankers from Anchorage via tanker from Whittier. Our price(s) are fixed by Wall Street. Our Native American villages were paying over $16 a gallon a few weeks ago. Anchorage has opened two additional homeless shelters. Many villages are returning to wood but elders not capable of cutting are being left to buy fuel. It is getting really sad.

I would of been mixing the oil in the diesel for the tractor. But it is newer so I guess not. Time to park it. Diesel went up another 10 cents since I started the post.

 

[5030]

Time to park it. Diesel went up another 10 cents since I started the post

Some of us have no choice as we don't have 'hobby' hobby tractors. I just bought 500 gallons of off road and paid a tad over 2 grand for it. Enough for maybe half the year. Being frugal like shutting down when not in the cab even though it gets hot inside and not idling any more than is necessary. Been running a bit below rated pto rpm too. The slower they turn, the more I save in diesel and both mine make sufficient power that I don't have to run at pto speed all the time.

 

[T J]

Although an (older) diesel engine will run on most anything with hydrocarbon, including buttermilk (yes) it would by unwise to use used anything mixed with diesel. Contamination galore.

 

[Bob Rooks]

Simple read before you try it. If you have a lot of diesel powered equipment that is used a lot you could see some savings, but for one tractor, nope. This concept started in the early '50's by trucking fleets and large equipment operators that were using thousands of gallons a month, so the savings were more significant. Even Caterpillar had recommendations and formulas for it.

How Do I Mix Used Motor Oil with Diesel Fuel?

As the supply of oil on the planet diminishes, alternative fuel sources are becoming more and more popular. In addition, the idea of recycling oil is becoming very popular. If you have a vehicle with a diesel engine, it is possible to recycle your used motor oil to conserve fuel. Mixing motor...

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[Cycledude]

I used to work for a big company that burned used motor in semi trucks, many drivers refused to use that fuel claiming they lost power and would ruin the engines. It didn’t bother me at all and seemed to work fine but eventually the DNR stepped in and said they couldn’t burn it in trucks anymore because of pollution .
It does seem strange that the DNR approves burning used oil in heating systems but they do At least here in Wisconsin.

 

[4570Man]

Some of us have no choice as we don't have 'hobby' hobby tractors. I just bought 500 gallons of off road and paid a tad over 2 grand for it. Enough for maybe half the year. Being frugal like shutting down when not in the cab even though it gets hot inside and not idling any more than is necessary. Been running a bit below rated pto rpm too. The slower they turn, the more I save in diesel and both mine make sufficient power that I don't have to run at pto speed all the time.

I wouldn’t be too upset about fueling a B series Kubota anyway. Even at $6.50 a gallon it doesn’t burn much.

 

[bmaverick]

Although an (older) diesel engine will run on most anything with hydrocarbon, including buttermilk (yes) it would by unwise to use used anything mixed with diesel. Contamination galore.

Hmmmm, then why is diesel blended to make BIO-DIESEL fuels then?

 

[bmaverick]

Simple read before you try it. If you have a lot of diesel powered equipment that is used a lot you could see some savings, but for one tractor, nope. This concept started in the early '50's by trucking fleets and large equipment operators that were using thousands of gallons a month, so the savings were more significant. Even Caterpillar had recommendations and formulas for it.

How Do I Mix Used Motor Oil with Diesel Fuel?

As the supply of oil on the planet diminishes, alternative fuel sources are becoming more and more popular. In addition, the idea of recycling oil is becoming very popular. If you have a vehicle with a diesel engine, it is possible to recycle your used motor oil to conserve fuel. Mixing motor...

itstillruns.com

The article didn't say much. I was hoping it would talk more towards dino used oil and synthetic used oil.

I've run bio-diesel with great success in my 1981 pre-emission machine. And I've blended 'refined' peanut oil to the clean diesel fuel with great success. For some reason you begin to crave fish-and-chips after a working use of the machine. This happens every time I've done it.

Burning UTTO hydraulic fluid blended with diesel is possible as much of it is 10W30 oil as the base product. Ask several Chevy truck owners about blending UTTO with diesel, many swear by using it. Some blend 30% upwards to 100% with no starting issues with IDI systems. Diesel Place
"...Hydraulic oil is close enough to D2 that it can be run year round in most diesel engines. In really cold weather you could blend it with D1 at 50%, or gasoline at about 5%. However, you are correct, all waste oils should be settled to remove any water or coolant, and filtered down to 2 microns or better to remove any particulate...."

Canola oil was originally developed as a bio-fuel for diesel out of Sarnia Ontario Canada refineries. Today, we basically eat the stuff thinking it's healthy with that fat ring now around our middle torso instead of using it as a fuel.

To run blended fuels, the first thing to do prior is finding the tallest fuel filter to fit on the machine. This is a must along with a clear fuel bowl around the filter for observation.

Injector coking will not happen if using UTTO hydraulic fluid.

With 89-pages of Chevy diesel owners blending their fuel can be found here since it began in 2011. A hot topic even back then and now.

ALTERNATIVE FUELs over 7k mies

www.dieselplace.com

Back to the OPs question of MOTOR OIL+Diesel blend.

 

[Black Dog 2]

Anyone mixing used oil in with their diesel to cut the cost? I have old hydraulic and motor oil that I can filter and maybe mix in a quart per five gallons of diesel. We went to $6.40 a gallon today and if I project out the increases to winter plowing season, it looks like I might be shoveling this year.

I had a 1999 Dodge Ram 2500 with a 5.9 Cummins. It wasn't my main means of transportation or I might not have attempted this. A friend had a farm with 6 tractors and he gave me all the used motor oil I wanted. I filtered the used motor oil down to 2 microns and mixed it 1/3 motor oil to 2/3 diesel. It ran just like 100% diesel and never had a problem.

 

[oldpilgrim]

I have a 50 gal barrel with an electric fuel transfer pump that uses one of these. I'm tempted to try mixing a gallon or two of engine/hydraulic oil in my tank. Waddaya think?

 

[Hoho223]

Anyone mixing used oil in with their diesel to cut the cost? I have old hydraulic and motor oil that I can filter and maybe mix in a quart per five gallons of diesel. We went to $6.40 a gallon today and if I project out the increases to winter plowing season, it looks like I might be shoveling this year.

Imagine the crap that would be coming out of your exhaust.

 

[greenrider1]

You'd be further ahead to just look for people selling their heating oil, which is the same as off road diesel. Around me people are getting rid of their fuel oil fired furnaces and boilers. It does go quick though so you have to check ads daily. I recently scored 168 gallons of fuel oil for $400, or $2.38/gallon. The 275 gallon tank and boiler were included in the price.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

I've burned a lot of used oils in my equipment too, even though the nay-says say you can't do it.

It used to be an option on Cummins engines, then along came the EPA.

SR

 

[5030]

Imagine the crap that would be coming out of your exhaust.

Nothing more than comes out of it all the time anyway. None of my engines are T4. Not even T3. With 22-1 compression and compression ignition, it all gets incinerated anyway.

 

[LouNY]

I have no issue with up to 20% used oil in a diesel as long as it has been filtered well.
I have always added some to my Home Heating Oil tanks and I believe that they will get quite a bit this year.

 

[WilliamBos]

Anyone mixing used oil in with their diesel to cut the cost? I have old hydraulic and motor oil that I can filter and maybe mix in a quart per five gallons of diesel. We went to $6.40 a gallon today and if I project out the increases to winter plowing season, it looks like I might be shoveling this year.

Price injectors and injector pump, dirty oil will cost more...

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Price injectors and injector pump, dirty oil will cost more...

So will dirty fuel, that's why they invented filters.

SR

 

[marhar]

If you really have a lot of used motor and hydraulic oils it may be worth your while to buy or build a waste oil heater for your house. There are tons of plans floating around on the internet and on YouTube. Some folks are converting wood stoves to waste oil heaters. I don't know if your oil burning furnace will be able to use a mixture of motor oil and fuel oil but it might tolerate the mix better than your tractor engine. I have worked on old oil furnaces to repair them and they seem pretty simple, especially compared to engines with injectors.
Good Luck,
Eric

I had a fried that had a shop heated by a wood stove. He created a system with a steel bucket, copper line and a ballcock valve. After he had a fire going he would allow used motor oil to drip into the furnace. I bet the EPA and the fire marshal would not have been happy. It worked for my friend but I would only run the system in a brick shop away from the house.

 

[bmaverick]

Price injectors and injector pump, dirty oil will cost more...

Never an issue with Seafoam keeping things clean.

Seafoam original use is for diesel. It keeps the injectors and pump clean. I use it with regular diesel and bio-diesel mixes. Works ever time.