what on earth does electricity cost near you?

   / what on earth does electricity cost near you? #681  
I use 12KWh per day, year-round, for the past 20y. No A/C, since I have all-concrete house that stays cool. I do like the idea of a Li-ion backup battery, even if I don't have any panels.

Tesla did not even bid the neighbor's project. Not sure why, but others in our area have complained that Tesla quotes one #, then the project costs 50% more. Also, if you get their batteries, you must get their panels.

What is your electric use per day? Even with lower panel costs and subsidies, it is interesting you can make it work economically.
A well constructed concrete home sounds wonderful, and your energy use definitely demonstrates the energy advantages. Your corner of the world is gorgeous, we looked for house around there for a few years, but I suspect that solar is going to be a challenge without some logging.

I choose the Tesla batteries at the time (2019) as they were the only batteries that had any track record and anything approaching a believable MTBF. Given our location in a wild lands fire area, I was particularly concerned about both failure to fire and failure to not being there when we needed them. We are sandwiched between two of the major sister faults to the San Andreas fault, and I planned for post earthquake power.

At this point, I would consider the Enphase batteries as well. Unlike say buying a new phone, I think that adding batteries is not a trivial investment, and it is attached to your home with the possibility of electrical and fire issues. One downside to Tesla batteries is that they don't play well with generators. I would bet that makes the Enphase batteries a much better choice for your location

Yes, Tesla only sells their batteries with panels these days. We bought from a third party installer, primarily to get the SGIP rebate, as Tesla was ineligible for SGIP rebates by the time we were looking to add batteries. I have heard that Tesla is very cookie cutter about the jobs they do, and that is why they are such low cost bidders. I have not heard about price shifts once the contract is in place, the opposite in fact, to the penny. Their initial quote does change as they get your site details, but usually because of the details of panel layouts changing due to zoning, vents, etc. With Tesla, it is my perception based on other buyers' experiences that you get very low cost, low hand holding, next to no customization (small, medium, large) and next to no customer service. I do not think it is for everyone. Whether the savings are worth the hassles, I can't comment. If you are interested, Tesla Motor Club has an extensive energy forum;

We had to upgrade our main panel as part of the solar/battery installation due to a subtlety of the national electrical code (NEC), that included two new electrical panels and plus some extra trenching to meet the county's fire code requirements (they apparently aren't following NEC for energy storage systems for reasons that are unclear to me). Basically, 225A bus bars are required in the main panel to be able to feed 200A to a subpanel. (It is a long story and as a non-expert in the subtleties of NEC requirements and calculations, not one that I feel qualified to pass on.)

We are in a bit of a ravine, so we get about six hours of sun these days and more like two to three hours in the wintertime, barring, of course, overcast. We use around 620kWh/mo, including a plug in hybrid, and have panels generating a peak power of about 6.5kW, and, these days, about 1MWh/mo, but only 0.2MWh in January, so May/June banks us through the winter. We are net energy consumers for November through February and net positive the rest of the year. Our single biggest draw is an electric dryer, as we use propane for heat, hot water and stove. (Due to the frequency of electrical outages here, not something I am likely to change any time soon.) Our ROI would be much longer if we weren't able to "bank" summer generation for winter usage.

Does that help?

All the best,

Peter
 
   / what on earth does electricity cost near you? #682  
Mom has been consistent year round at 12kWh per day but the solar sales always knocking at the door as window contractors…

Window day they can save her a bundle and for fun so said I like the sound of it but then they look at the bill and shake their head… 12kWh for 1950’s 2400 square feet.

At my place the 6kW array maxes about 4kW

I could supercharge replacing 160W panels but so far always produce more than use…
 
   / what on earth does electricity cost near you? #683  
20 cents per here in VT.

But I have a question.

A fellow I know recently put in a rather large solar array on his roof and also put in a pair of the Tesla uninterruptible battery power units. He says the Tesla units will power his home "normally" for one full day. More if he controls his water well pump.
The solar panel puts out three times the his consumption during peak hours of sunlight. Which I am advised is sold back to the power company at discount, and rectified over the annual billing.

BUT...

He can not use the Tesla panels to power his home when the main service is NOT interrupted! This just seems illogical.
The battery packs were paid for, the solar panels were paid for, but he is NOT PERMITTED to use the excess energy produced by the panels to cover the less productive hours of each day.

Seems like a plan to keep money flowing one way to me.
Its probably not a matter of "cant" so much so as the system isnt set up to.

Solar panels output fluctuates. Homes demand fluctuates depending on what is turned on.

So there needs a buffer. You cant hook panels direct to your breaker box.

In his case he has a battery. So he actually has two ways to power his home....panels via the battery....or the grid.
But in interest of keeping the batteries at 100% since he is grid tied....he is gonna use off the grid while the panels keep battery up and the remainder goes to grid.

So I dont think its that he "inst permitted".....but the systems just arent set up that way.
Even people without batteries.....its usually two meters. You array feeds the grid through a meter, and your house is powered from another meter tied to grid.
Most net metering practices....they offset. IF you make 1000kwh and you use 1000kwh, you get billed for 0kwh. So you basically made all your won power....even though the panels arent directly tied to the house. But who cares....if the electrons you consume are all the ones that directly came from your panel or not.
 
   / what on earth does electricity cost near you? #684  
Only single meters here...

The old rotary were great in that they are bi-directional.... only pay Net.

Almost all are now single Smart Meters.

A quick glance shows plus or minus amount at that moment but also record Time of Use.

Still had a few 30 amp 120 volt meters with the brass wing nuts... circa 1920's but all gone now...
 
   / what on earth does electricity cost near you? #685  
TRACTOR!!!!!!!!!!
 
   / what on earth does electricity cost near you? #686  
Have any of you mentioned TRACTORS in this thread. Others are being shut down because of language (not using the word TRACTOR) o_O
this is the Community/rural living sub forum.

Tractors of all types are discussed on many other subforums on this site.

Fun for all!

Just leave religion out That topic gets too emotional ;-)
 
   / what on earth does electricity cost near you? #687  
Have any of you mentioned TRACTORS in this thread. Others are being shut down because of language (not using the word TRACTOR) o_O
Ah, let's cover it good.
When my meter quits spinning because the utility is down,
my tractor spins up the pto generator to keep my things cadillacing along. :) (y) 🤠
 
   / what on earth does electricity cost near you? #688  
At current 40 cents a kWh delivered 5 kWh is $2.00

With gas at $6 a gallon but more like 6.50 a gallon plus going to get it no way my Honda 5000 comes close to utility power and that's not counting the cost of generator or maintaining it.
 
   / what on earth does electricity cost near you? #689  
@$6/gallon, and a 5kW output, the fuel consumption is 0.87g/hr (per Honda), so that's about $1/kWh, not counting generator cost or maintenance that probably add another $0.25-$0.40/hr... (2,000 hour lifetime at full power?)

Yes, not even close. Even if you use the waste heat for heating and hot water, there aren't many places where it could compete with the grid, or solar costs.

All the best,

Peter
 
   / what on earth does electricity cost near you? #690  
At current 40 cents a kWh delivered 5 kWh is $2.00

With gas at $6 a gallon but more like 6.50 a gallon plus going to get it no way my Honda 5000 comes close to utility power and that's not counting the cost of generator or maintaining it.
Man, you gotta be a millionaire to live in Kaliforny.
 

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