Locked Out

   / Locked Out #11  
Both our cars have that same feature (GM vehicles). The removable "key" part of the fob will get you into the vehicle but it won't start it without the rest of the fob. It seems kind of useless so I asked the salesman. He said it's designed to get you into a locked vehicle when the fob battery is too weak to open the electric locks. The fob usually has enough energy left to start the vehicle if, as you say, it's put in the right location.

In any case, it won't do you much good if you loose the whole fob.
If you looked at the video you would see he took the battery out of the fob and it still started the vehicle, which surprised me.
 
   / Locked Out #12  
The fob often has two chips in it. One is powered by the battery and unlocks the car. The other is an RFID type chip that gets its power from the external sensor. Some cars have a cubby where the ignition switch used to be on the steering column that you can put a dead key into so the RFID will be close enough to the sensor that it can be picked up and allow the car to start.

Many cars also have an emergency way to get in that uses a physical key, either the one that switchblades out of the fob or a separate key. It's usually documented in the owners manual but you may need to search for it. The key slot can be hard to find.
 
   / Locked Out #13  
I've got a '19 Ram with the tip start, (push button) I took the spare fob, took the battery out and got my daughter to vacuum seal the fob and I hid it inside the truck. Mine still has the regular key you can take out if the battery goes dead so I got a couple spare regular keys made, gave my daughter one, hid one in a sealed bag (so it wouldn't corrode) outside the truck. Now if I ever lock the keys in my truck or lose them, I can get in and start it.
Don't know about others but on the Dodge if you push the start button with the end of the fob that has not battery, it will start. I think the RFID chip has limited range with out the battery so it has to be close, made that way in case the battery goes dead I presume.
I can't lock my regular daily fob in the truck, (I've tried a couple of times :) ), it'll blow the horn.........Mike
 
   / Locked Out #14  
I guess I'm on the other side of the fence. No chance of losing my key because it is in my pocket and never needs to come out until I get home.

I have had this sort of key for about 15 years and never once had a problem. Wife keeps hers zipped into her purse. Never lost hers either. I wish I could get both cars keyed the same, though.

With old keys I locked them in the car more than once. Kid's car is manual everything and she has locked hers in as well.

Maybe y'all could try new ways of carrying your keys...necklace? Maybe a belt with a money slot they would fit in. Good luck.
 
   / Locked Out #15  
I'm the type of guy who is always loosing his car keys. As a result, I used to keep a spare key on a magnet under the bumper. My old vehicle finally gave up the ghost and I had to get a new one. Wow! Talk about culture shock. The new one doesn't have a car key or even a bumper to hang a spare on. Everything is electronic. You just push a button to start the engine. The salesman assured me it was impossible to lock myself out and put an app on my phone to use for such an emergency.

Well leave it to me to prove him wrong. A few months ago, I lost my electronic fob while riding my bike. When I got back to the vehicle, I tried to use the app to unlock it, only to find there was no cell service in my rural area. two hours later, AAA showed up and used some electronic thingy to open it. Ok, now I'm in the vehicle but there is no way to start it without the electronic fob! All AAA could do was tow the vehicle back to the dealership. I should add that due to the worldwide chip shortage, the dealer was not able to give me the usual spare e-fob at the time I bought the vehicle.

By then, the e-fob backorder had ended and the dealer gave me two new ones. To prevent this from happening again, I figured I'd be smart and ordered a third e-fob to the tune of $160 (my last spare car key cost me $2). I hid the spare in a waterproof case under the spare tire. It seemed like a good idea until I discovered I could no longer lock the vehicle?? Apparently, the vehicle thought the hidden e-fob was inside and, as a safety measure, prevented the door locks from working.

Ok, back to square one. I recently read of something called a "Faraday" case which blocks the signal from these e-fobs. I ordered one and will see if it works. I don't know why hiding a spare key has to be so complicated.

Wait, the story isn't over! My wife bought a new car last month with the same new electronic keyless system. By then, I figured I was an expert with these newfangled devices. Wrong! I keep my spares in a key drawer in the garage and just put my wife's spare e-fob in with the rest. Last week, she left her fob on her dresser by accident but her car started anyway. The fob in the key drawer was close enough to fool the car into thinking it was inside the vehicle. She drove away and a little blue light on the dash came on warning that the fob was out of range. It was so inconspicuous with all the other dash lights, she didn't notice. She drove to the mall, turned off the engine and then discovered she forgot her fob when she went to lock the vehicle.

Of course without the fob, the engine wouldn't re-start. To make it worse, the car thought someone was trying to steal it and the horn started blowing. You guessed it, no cell service so the app wouldn't work. Luckily, she was able to use the phone at the Dollar General to get me at home and I drove down with the spare e-fob.

I see some new vehicles now have a backup push button system that allows you to enter a code to unlock and start. If I live long enough, my next car will be so equipped. Of course by then, my memory will be shot and I won't remember the darn code.

Buying a new car certainly isn't as simple as it used to be. You'd think the car makers would keep us older rural folk in mind when they design these new vehicles. It won't be long before the younger generations won't know what a car key is!
I'd like to see an unbiased study comparing the money saved on car thefts by all those electronic no start devices to the money lost due to their price and the downtime and frustrarion.they cause.
 
   / Locked Out #16  
Our 2 new vehicles are keyless and we like them, the PU uses a key. All our vehicles are GM, are equipped with navigation, and have OnStar activated. I can use the app to unlock them or call OnStar to do it. What I really like about the app is the ability to send destination info to the navigation system using the app prior to going on a trip. Easier to do it from my phone than the nav system in the vehicle.
 
   / Locked Out #17  
Keyless can make it easy to steal.

New mom up the street was getting ready to go out with 3 month old and had fob in baby bag just as she placed it inside a car drove up and passenger opened the driver's door, started and drove off...
 
   / Locked Out #18  
I'd sooner have the regular ole key.
There's places for electronics and places they shouldn't be.
Something so simple as changing the wiper blades on my truck, turn the wipers on and shut the key off when the left wiper is vertical and easy to get at. Nope, they have to park no matter if you shut the ignition off.
Start the truck....radio takes 10-15 seconds to boot up. It's a radio for the luv of...., not a pc..I guess it is actually.
Open the door so I can see the tires when I drive on the ramps to change the oil, nope, minute you open the door the thing goes into park. Beat that one tho, got a short seat belt extender and leave it in. So they can bite me on that one.
Go to get gas, I used to take the cap and put it under the fuel pump handle. Can't do that anymore, there's no gas cap.
Go to put some gas in my truck from a can, you have to use the stupid ****/*/ sleeve that's with the jack to get the fuel trap door open
Turn the heat control counterclockwise to turn the heat off, I just want air. Nope, turn it too far and the AC comes on, can't turn it back a bit to turn it off you have to push the center of the button.
It has a 'active noise cancelling' something or other in the radio it's supposed to make the truck quieter that once every couple of months goes nuts and generates not a negative noise but a noise so bad you have to pull over and restart the truck. If you don't, it has such a frequency it'll literally make you feel sick. There is a cure for it and involves removing a half dozen or so wires from the module under the seat.
They're not what I'd call major things, just annoyances that even if they worked like they were supposed to would not make a difference to me.........M
 
   / Locked Out #19  
I'd sooner have the regular ole key.
There's places for electronics and places they shouldn't be.
Something so simple as changing the wiper blades on my truck, turn the wipers on and shut the key off when the left wiper is vertical and easy to get at. Nope, they have to park no matter if you shut the ignition off.
Start the truck....radio takes 10-15 seconds to boot up. It's a radio for the luv of...., not a pc..I guess it is actually.
Open the door so I can see the tires when I drive on the ramps to change the oil, nope, minute you open the door the thing goes into park. Beat that one tho, got a short seat belt extender and leave it in. So they can bite me on that one.
Go to get gas, I used to take the cap and put it under the fuel pump handle. Can't do that anymore, there's no gas cap.
Go to put some gas in my truck from a can, you have to use the stupid ****/*/ sleeve that's with the jack to get the fuel trap door open
Turn the heat control counterclockwise to turn the heat off, I just want air. Nope, turn it too far and the AC comes on, can't turn it back a bit to turn it off you have to push the center of the button.
It has a 'active noise cancelling' something or other in the radio it's supposed to make the truck quieter that once every couple of months goes nuts and generates not a negative noise but a noise so bad you have to pull over and restart the truck. If you don't, it has such a frequency it'll literally make you feel sick. There is a cure for it and involves removing a half dozen or so wires from the module under the seat.
They're not what I'd call major things, just annoyances that even if they worked like they were supposed to would not make a difference to me.........M
If I can make my old Ranger and myself last another fifteen years, I'll probably be too old to drive. After reading about the new ones, it'll be just as well because I won't be able to figure them out anyway.
 
   / Locked Out #20  
I'd sooner have the regular ole key.
There's places for electronics and places they shouldn't be.
Something so simple as changing the wiper blades on my truck, turn the wipers on and shut the key off when the left wiper is vertical and easy to get at. Nope, they have to park no matter if you shut the ignition off.
Start the truck....radio takes 10-15 seconds to boot up. It's a radio for the luv of...., not a pc..I guess it is actually.
Open the door so I can see the tires when I drive on the ramps to change the oil, nope, minute you open the door the thing goes into park. Beat that one tho, got a short seat belt extender and leave it in. So they can bite me on that one.
Go to get gas, I used to take the cap and put it under the fuel pump handle. Can't do that anymore, there's no gas cap.
Go to put some gas in my truck from a can, you have to use the stupid ****/*/ sleeve that's with the jack to get the fuel trap door open
Turn the heat control counterclockwise to turn the heat off, I just want air. Nope, turn it too far and the AC comes on, can't turn it back a bit to turn it off you have to push the center of the button.
It has a 'active noise cancelling' something or other in the radio it's supposed to make the truck quieter that once every couple of months goes nuts and generates not a negative noise but a noise so bad you have to pull over and restart the truck. If you don't, it has such a frequency it'll literally make you feel sick. There is a cure for it and involves removing a half dozen or so wires from the module under the seat.
They're not what I'd call major things, just annoyances that even if they worked like they were supposed to would not make a difference to me.........M
One annoyance on GM vehicles which can also be a hazzard, when you turn the blower motor on it may take 30 seconds for it to actually turn on. It's not uncommon to go through a heat inversion and have the windshield fog up unexpectedly... at 50 mph that's about 2000 feet driving blind, unless you have a place to pull over.
 

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