Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor?

[jyoutz]

He knows. He works for the government.

Childish comment

 

[jyoutz]

So everyone you know who has done it has had burnt pistons and other engine failures. Come on now. Everyone? If it caused that many problems word would be out and no one would do it.

The friends and family I know who put aggressive chips in their diesel trucks have experienced engine problems. Is that everyone? Of course not. My neighbor is general manager of a Dodge (Ram) dealership. He’s told me that this damage is not uncommon for chipped trucks. Does that mean every truck? No. And that’s not what I said.

 

[Midniteoyl]

Another way to look at that is they will do nothing unless you are a big time player. Article said they warned him years ago and he kept doing it.

OTR vehicles are one thing. Outside of cities, there is really no reason to put that stuff on tractors. Too few of them running too few hours and spread too far apart.

Why does the EPA, IRS and Dept of Ag and such all have their own armed officers? I would think it would be better for the FBI to handle all investigations. This way we just get more bloat.

Theres a recent SCOTUS decision that could curtail their power. Might take a few years to settle out though.

 

[deserteagle71]

Who would enforce that? Local law enforcement aren’t vehicle emissions cops. I wouldn’t chip my Cummins because everyone I know who has done that has had issues with burnt pistons and other engine failures. But hey, go for it if you want to.

Well, now you know one who never had a problem. My 2004 Dodge/Cummins has had an Edge tuner on it most of its life; the only problem I've ever had with the engine is a leaking water pump a few years ago.

It depends on how the tuner is used. Mine has 6 different power levels and level 3 is the highest I've ever used. And that only for short periods of time, towing heavy loads up a mountain. Most of the time the tuner is set on level 1 (mileage) and it allows me to average 15 mpg while hauling a heavy cabover camper while towing a Jeep on a trailer.

If someone has their tuner set to the highest level so they can "roll coal" or spin all 4 tires or some such silliness then they deserve an engine failure.

 

[jyoutz]

Well, now you know one who never had a problem. My 2004 Dodge/Cummins has had an Edge tuner on it most of its life; the only problem I've ever had with the engine is a leaking water pump a few years ago.

It depends on how the tuner is used. Mine has 6 different power levels and level 3 is the highest I've ever used. And that only for short periods of time, towing heavy loads up a mountain. Most of the time the tuner is set on level 1 (mileage) and it allows me to average 15 mpg while hauling a heavy cabover camper while towing a Jeep on a trailer.

If someone has their tuner set to the highest level so they can "roll coal" or spin all 4 tires or some such silliness then they deserve an engine failure.

I think your explanation makes sense. I suspect the problems occur from aggressive power levels that are used continuously.

 

[Lineman North Florida]

Who would enforce that? Local law enforcement aren’t vehicle emissions cops. I wouldn’t chip my Cummins because everyone I know who has done that has had issues with burnt pistons and other engine failures. But hey, go for it if you want to.

Third sentence, you said everyone you knew, just saying. I knew that argument wouldn't hold water because the truth of the matter is a lot of people delete tractors and have great results after the warranty is over and I thought that is what the OP was asking about deleting his tractor.

 

[Complete Turf Care]

Third sentence, you said everyone you knew, just saying. I knew that argument wouldn't hold water because the truth of the matter is a lot of people delete tractors and have great results after the warranty is over and I thought that is what the OP was asking about deleting his tractor.

Correct, I am asking about deleting after the warranty is over.
Also, the mechanic I spoke with said “if you aren’t having problems with it, leave it alone”.
The problems I’ve had with my tractor have been fuel issues, not the dpf.

 

[Lineman North Florida]

Correct, I am asking about deleting after the warranty is over.
Also, the mechanic I spoke with said “if you aren’t having problems with it, leave it alone”.
The problems I’ve had with my tractor have been fuel issues, not the dpf.

I don't blame you, that's what I said in post#10 , If I was having problems with it that I wouldn't hesitate if the factory warranty had expired, but I am like you if it ain't broke don't fix it.

 

[xrjohndeere]

Today I took my Ram 3500 to an old friend who has owned a diesel mechanic shop for many years. We started talking about the issues I've had recently with my Kubota L6060. You can see more on that here. Water in fuel causes $10,000 damage to my Kubota Grand L6060

As we were talking he said "You know I can 'delete' that tractor for you. This guy owns a well-known and highly respected shop, and works mainly on large trucks, and lots of them

I'm wondering if anyone else has attempted to "delete" a tractor, and what were the results.

If he can take the junk off I would do it. Piss on the cloud cops!

 

[5030]

Childish comment

Why I never comment on his childish retorts.

 

[dodge man]

A few things. It’s fairly easy to remove the DPF system. Anyone that can do exhaust can do it. The problem is what will the computer on the tractor do? I don’t know the answer for this. On popular diesel pickups they made kits for ”off-road” use that would delete the EGR, SCR, and DPF systems and then add a tuner or chip so the truck would not throw codes and run correctly. Obviously this stuff is used on the street and hence the EPA crackdowns.

Second point is the power improvement chips or programmers. Some are legal. They mainly change the power curve by changing the boost, fuel and timing events. I had edge chip on an 04 Cummins I had and it definitely made a difference. Part throttle I couldn’t really tell it was there. These power improvers are the things that may or may not harm an engine short or long term. Then you have the transmission and drivetrain that are going to take a beating.

Im not a fan of emissions equipment either, the expense and maintenance. I kind of look at diesel emissions today being where we were in the early 1980’s on gas engines. The stuff works but isn’t anywhere near a 100% reliable. These days do you even sweat the emissions equipment on gas engines. Do we really want to go backwards on air quality?

 

[EddieWalker]

A guy that I bought hay from last year deleted one of his tractors and then had it tuned for more HP. My memory isn't accurate, so I'm sort of fudging this, but I think he said that he had a 90 HP Massey tractor that was bogging down while haying. He also said that he had a bunch of issues with the emissions. It was to the point that Massey had sent out a team to look at it and figure out the solution. They never got it right, so when his warrantee expired, he hired a guy from the DFW area to do the delete and increase the HP. I think he said the cost was around $3,000, and he was able to get well over 100 HP out of the tractor. The difference was night and day, and since doing it, he hasn't had any more issues with the tractor.

 

[Lineman North Florida]

A guy that I bought hay from last year deleted one of his tractors and then had it tuned for more HP. My memory isn't accurate, so I'm sort of fudging this, but I think he said that he had a 90 HP Massey tractor that was bogging down while haying. He also said that he had a bunch of issues with the emissions. It was to the point that Massey had sent out a team to look at it and figure out the solution. They never got it right, so when his warrantee expired, he hired a guy from the DFW area to do the delete and increase the HP. I think he said the cost was around $3,000, and he was able to get well over 100 HP out of the tractor. The difference was night and day, and since doing it, he hasn't had any more issues with the tractor.

That happens more often than a lot of people realize and I applaud the guy for doing what he needed to do to get his tractor running properly, no need for a working man to keep throwing good money after bad on a problem that has no end in sight, until he solved it for himself.

 

[5030]

I sue am glad I don't have those issues.

 

[charles todd]

Guys order “glider kits” (new truck chassis with no engine or transmission) and install pre-emissions drivetrain in it.
If a tractor, I’d buy the lowest hour, pre emissions tractor I could and restore it and still be way ahead on money.
Which is what I’ve actually done.

Think the Glider Kit loop hole is closing. Also, believe that California has/is making it illegal to operate pre-emissions commercial vehicles.

CT

 

[blitzen]

I think your explanation makes sense. I suspect the problems occur from aggressive power levels that are used continuously.

Too much heat. I tuned a 5.9 and 6.7, tuner would shut down engine rpm if exhaust temps went too high. That is how I set the tuner. YMMV

 

[5030]

Think the Glider Kit loop hole is closing. Also, believe that California has/is making it illegal to operate pre-emissions commercial vehicles.

CT

Actually it already has. You cannot title a glider with a pre emissions engine anymore for on road use.

 

[Hay Dude]

Why I never comment on his childish retorts.

except you don’t.

 

[Hay Dude]

The friends and family I know who put aggressive chips in their diesel trucks have experienced engine problems. Is that everyone? Of course not. My neighbor is general manager of a Dodge (Ram) dealership. He’s told me that this damage is not uncommon for chipped trucks. Does that mean every truck? No. And that’s not what I said.

Cummins trucks don’t need chips. Once you tow heavy with one, you understand what real torque at low RPM is.

 

[Raul-02]

Today I took my Ram 3500 to an old friend who has owned a diesel mechanic shop for many years. We started talking about the issues I've had recently with my Kubota L6060. You can see more on that here. Water in fuel causes $10,000 damage to my Kubota Grand L6060

As we were talking he said "You know I can 'delete' that tractor for you. This guy owns a well-known and highly respected shop, and works mainly on large trucks, and lots of them

I'm wondering if anyone else has attempted to "delete" a tractor, and what were the results.

I would delete this post against the odds of some nancy pants busybody wants to play nancy drew and tattle tale