Proposed ban on gas stoves...

[BX23S-1]

"Hi, i`m from the gubbermint, and i`m here to help" says no smart person ever.

Gubbermint isn`t the solution, Gubbermint is the problem.

 

[WinterDeere]

I like how the EV crowd always talks about charging at night, what about those working nights? How about all those delivery drivers bringing late night food? All the overnight maintenance runs and freight runs?

Good point. Perhaps it should be stated as, "while you sleep". Point is, for most that will be overnight, which is how overall aggregate grid loading will be managed. But in responding to the poster concerned about maxing out his own 200A service, charging while you sleep is a way to manage household usage, whatever time of day that may be.

When is peak power usage in most locales? I don't know but I bet it's not at noon....

Data is easily available, you could have looked this up yourself. It varies with climate (Florida is not same as Maine), time of year, and even weekend vs. weekday.

But it is indeed "noon" on weekends, or more specifically, noon - 6pm in most climates and times of year. Weekend usage is relatively high 8am - 11pm for most of the year, in most climates, with lowest usage 11pm - 8am.

On weekdays, there are two very high peaks, 7am - 11am and 5pm - 7pm. But even midday (11am - 5pm) shows usage more than double that of the evening and overnight hours in winter. In summer the evening remains a bit higher, due to residential cooling, but still drops off overnight.

Charging EV's at night when all the solar is non producing?

Non issue. Aggregate daytime demand will remain high enough to soak up every spare photon, no matter what time of day EV's are charging. It's really more about managing nukes and hydro, as well as whatever little bit predictive wind may add to the system. Nuclear is an under-utilized technology, in large part due to their inability to throttle up and down at the speed required to manage peak vs. off-peak usage, and our lack of a good storage solution. More EV's sucking at the teet of our grid overnight means reduced delta between peak and off-peak, means better utilization of one of our few legit non-fossil fuel sources.

 

[deserteagle71]

Mr. Muhammed, with sincere respect, the government introduced an objective to ban gas stoves. It has widespread financial implications for many of your customers.

Much like keeping the playroom toys picked up, there is no meaningful discussion to understand cause, establish impact, and identify options for resolution without speaking of the source creating the disruption.

Civil discussion should be encouraged to facilitate understanding, even if it includes the touch stone of government.

...Terry

Thank you, sir. This is exactly why I started this thread. I for one will be contacting my Congressmen - again - and expressing my displeasure with this idea of "banning" gas stoves before there is a dependable alternative in place.

 

[deserteagle71]

My electricity bill is up like 20%. Wish I could say why….

Mine has gone up 30% in the past year alone. Yet according to my bill, my usage is still the same as it has been for years.

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

"A federal agency may look to ban gas stoves over concern about the release of pollutants that can cause health and respiratory problems"...oh...ok...so when are they going to ban, say, cigarettes, cigars and pipe tobacco?
I know this is a really stupid idea, but how about a federal agency looking into fentanyl?

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

Mine has gone up 30% in the past year alone. Yet according to my bill, my usage is still the same as it has been for years.

More EVs=higher electric bills...I've said it for months now.

 

[deserteagle71]

I know this is a really stupid idea, but how about a federal agency looking into fentanyl?

What? Are you saying we should close the border to stop the flow of fentanyl into this country?

 

[WinterDeere]

More EVs=higher electric bills...I've said it for months now.

I agree, but probably for different reasons. It's not free market, supply and demand. Utilities are regulated, but more EV's, more heat pumps, and all other forms of increase reliance on an electric utility means providing them more leverage. Where opportunity exists...

On the other hand, one could hope it will also lead to more scrutiny, but I'm not an optimist.

 

[Hay Dude]

Our electrical grid is antiquated and actually failing in many locations.

We are pushing EV’s hard on our citizenry. Those will put a much greater electric load demand on an already stressed-out system.

Now they want to force electric ranges on us? Won’t that put even greater demand on the already stressed-out system?

My entire house runs on Natty-G.
I really like it since my state has the greatest reserve of it in the world right under my feet. Why get rid of this clean, abundant resource for cooking?

 

[CobyRupert]

Nobody has mentioned if it’s a good idea or what is actually happening when your stove burns propane or natural gas inside a closed room.
“It was good enough for pappy, so it’s good enough for me!”

“Meh…we’re only poisoning ourselves a little bit…a little bit of odorless, carbon monoxide won’t hurt anyone. …or the increased carbon dioxide”

…I’ll stay away from the discussions about whether the government should ban dangerous products…

…let’s just stick to the facts about burning propane and NG indoors. In possibly and sometimes vented conditions, but often not. A good idea or no?