Minnesota to try and ban gas powered equipment

[jyoutz]

Walk a mile in our shoes. You grind more than an axe….

I’ve walked many a mile doing lots of manual labor. Why do some of you think that you’re the only folks who do? I could list lots of strenuous work during my career, but don’t talk about it because I assume that nearly everyone here has done their share. Most of us are “mature” so it would be a rare occurrence for someone to have a full career and not have had some experience with labor.

 

[IndyJay]

Walk a mile in our shoes. You grind more than an axe….

Great to see you finally recognize regulations as a problem.
Maybe by the end of the discussion, you’ll understand what taxes do to chase industry to off shore locations or more sensible states.

What leftists fail to understand is that corporations do not "pay taxes", even when they are heavily taxed. It is passed on to the consumer, so these "tax the rich" maroons are basically demanding that the prices that they pay for goods and services be increased to cover these higher taxes.

The problem isn't that the gummint doesn't collect enough money, it is that they spend too much of our money on things that they have no business spending it on. When our representatives pass spending bills without reading them, it is by definition "taxation without representation".

 

[jyoutz]

What leftists fail to understand is that corporations do not "pay taxes", even when they are heavily taxed. It is passed on to the consumer, so these "tax the rich" maroons are basically demanding that the prices that they pay for goods and services be increased to cover these higher taxes.

The problem isn't that the gummint doesn't collect enough money, it is that they spend too much of our money on things that they have no business spending it on. When our representatives pass spending bills without reading them, it is by definition "taxation without representation".

Anyone who uses the term “leftist“ to describe anyone who doesn’t agree with them on fiscal policy is an ideologue. Most U.S. citizens are centrists; neither radical left or right. Most of the entire history of this country has been about centrism, not radical right or left. This polarization is bad and this “my way or the highway” perspective will be the ruin of this country.

 

[shooterdon]

Anyone who uses the term “*******“ to describe anyone who doesn’t agree with them on fiscal policy is an ideologue. Most U.S. citizens are centrists; neither radical left or right. Most of the entire history of this country has been about centrism, not radical right or left. This polarization is bad and this “my way or the highway” perspective will be the ruin of this country.

Morons have the right to vote...it does not alter the fact they are morons. My 36 year old son has the mental abilities of a 12 year old and votes. Want to bet who he voted for?

 

[jyoutz]

Morons have the right to vote...it does not alter the fact they are morons. My 36 year old son has the mental abilities of a 12 year old and votes. Want to bet who he voted for?

That’s his business, not anyone else’s.

 

[dstig1]

The point of this thread is over-regulation and is exactly what is being described for all these industries that have moved away from the NE or out of the country. And it also goes directly to the point of the cities dominating the political branches of what rules get passed just by sheer population. Banning of ICE engines is down right foolish for many, many reasons but it will have a far greater impact on those of us that do not live in the cities as those in the cities have much more ability to switch to electric everything and be OK. It is the triumph of one religion (climate alarmism) over reason.

As previously noted by many here: Let us choose for ourselves. As battery technology improves, more things will be possible with cordless tools, for example. Already we have seen significant strides here. But they still lack power and capacity of what you can get from an ICE engine. Maybe there will be some breakthrough in battery technology that will tip the equation to the battery side at some point, but I certainly don't see it in anything I know about here so far. We are starting to bump up against the limits on Lithium batteries already. How far can they go? Dunno, but maybe some bright spark will come up with a breakthrough that makes a big difference in efficiency or power delivery. But I'm not holding my breath based on what I know of the technology development in process. So stop trying to force your religion on the rest of us since it will have significant negative impacts on our lives. That is all that is being said here.

 

[Oaktree]

Morons have the right to vote...it does not alter the fact they are morons. My 36 year old son has the mental abilities of a 12 year old and votes. Want to bet who he voted for?

No idea. Last few elections there were few, if any good choices.

 

[Eagle1]

I would say been a minute since you could vote FOR someone not just AGAINST the other one.

 

[Hay Dude]

Hard for those that depend on your money to increase their lifestyle without taking more out of your pocket.

That’s happening right now, but I’m fighting back, with higher prices, whenever I can.
I used to be the guy that customers could count on for good quality at a fair price.
Because of the new way “country” people are being screwed with, I am now the guy you can count on for good quality at a much higher price.

Keep screwing with the regs and jacking up prices and I will get ya back 6 ways to Sunday. Nothing feels better than taking on a job knowing you are being overpaid because I am overpaying for everything now. Fuel, parts, service, insurance, you name it. Everything is up 25-100% on my end.

Now you will have to reimburse me for my costs whenever I can get you.

Quick example: Have a small customer who we hay (2) 8-10 acre fields, the margins around them outside mowed with bush hog 2X per year and all the trees and fences weed wacked. Takes about 1 day to hay and a 1/2 day the next day to mow the margins. Thats right in my lane for what we do, but on the smaller side.
Last years price was $1,400 for both cuttings and we keep all the hay.
This years price is $2,000 for same job.
Up what? 35%??? I should have probably doubled the price…..

They told me to pound sand, they would get someone else.
Then they priced it around.
Then they came back to me and asked me if I would reconsider coming back as they are now satisfied with my price.

Unfortunately, this is what I have to do in the “post covid/new world order” world.

 

[Citydude]

No. I didn't dig ditches for money. I hauled bricks with my hands for a mason in high school and first years of college. Built some huge shoulders. I don't want to go back to that job, either.

Good. But do not disparage or disrespect those who need those jobs.

 

[not2old]

The problem isn't that the gummint doesn't collect enough money, it is that they spend too much of our money on things that they have no business spending it on. When our representatives pass spending bills without reading them, it is by definition "taxation without representation".

If government spent my money the same way I spend my money, they could cut taxes in half.

 

[Hay Dude]

Morons have the right to vote...it does not alter the fact they are morons. My 36 year old son has the mental abilities of a 12 year old and votes. Want to bet who he voted for?

A very unselfish admission shooterdon.
Morons do have the right to vote and we have enough morons to get some pathetic results.
I am right leaning. We now have a left leaning leadership.


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[Hay Dude]

Good. But do not disparage or disrespect those who need those jobs.

Exactly. You can’t say “no young people want to work” while simultaneously driving the very jobs those young people COULD be working at offshore with onerous regulations, permits and taxes!

Pretty simple.

 

[IndyJay]

Anyone who uses the term “*******“ to describe anyone who doesn’t agree with them on fiscal policy is an ideologue. Most U.S. citizens are centrists; neither radical left or right. Most of the entire history of this country has been about centrism, not radical right or left. This polarization is bad and this “my way or the highway” perspective will be the ruin of this country.

I didn't use the term *******.

 

[turbo36]

I think this thread is really quite ironic, the same people who, in another to be unnamed thread, are screaming for more federal regulation and intervention are complaining about federal regulations and intervention taking our jobs In this thread! I’m not sure how you could have it both ways? Perhaps a centrist, logical process to have the right regulations, but no more than that, is the best way to go. Why does everything have to be either all black or all white? Most of us are kind of gray. Especially our hair ha ha!

 

[Hay Dude]

I think this thread is really quite ironic, the same people who, in another to be unnamed thread, are screaming for more federal regulation and intervention are complaining about federal regulations and intervention taking our jobs In this thread! I’m not sure how you could have it both ways? Perhaps a centrist, logical process to have the right regulations, but no more than that, is the best way to go. Why does everything have to be either all black or all white? Most of us are kind of gray. Especially our hair ha ha!

I’m not screaming for more regulations so don’t try to marginalize me. I’m disappointed at the Federal Go_______ response or lack thereof.

 

[turbo36]

I’m not screaming for more regulations so don’t try to marginalize me. I’m disappointed at the Federal Go_______ response or lack thereof.

Nobody’s trying to marginalize you. I’m just pointing out the irony of how we look at things differently depending on how close to the fire we are.

 

[dstig1]

It is perfectly reasonable to say the federal government should be doing THIS but should NOT be doing THAT. Otherwise you are saying they should be doing anything and everything. This way tyranny lies. Federal emergency response is what I assume you are talking about and that is a good use of the federal government to spread the risk and cost of some local/regional disaster across the country. Because next time it will be you...or someone else. But here we have a state trying to ban a particular technology out of misguided zealotry. It will have a significant negative impact on a lot of people and the potential benefits are, at the very least, questionable. It is quite reasonable and logical to say the govt should NOT be doing THAT!

 

[Hay Dude]

Nobody’s trying to marginalize you. I’m just pointing out the irony of how we look at things differently depending on how close to the fire we are.

It’s not “nobody” I directed my comment at, it’s just you.
It’s perfectly acceptable to demand near perfection from the go______. We pay trillions in taxes and should be VERY demanding of them.
We can also ask them to regulate more in one area, and regulate less in another.

Me? I just want a compassionate, timely response that shows as much attention to our own taxpaying citizens as they pay attention to others who pay no taxes and do nothing to help our country. How many citizens of East ********* are vets? KIA? Emergency responders? Single parents? Tiny innocent children, or just good, tax paying citizens?

Too much to ask for a quick, compassionate response?
This particular disaster gets a very poor rating by the go________, and I believe millions of people support my opinion.

 

[turbo36]

It is perfectly reasonable to say the federal government should be doing THIS but should NOT be doing THAT. Otherwise you are saying they should be doing anything and everything. This way tyranny lies. Federal emergency response is what I assume you are talking about and that is a good use of the federal government to spread the risk and cost of some local/regional disaster across the country. Because next time it will be you...or someone else. But here we have a state trying to ban a particular technology out of misguided zealotry. It will have a significant negative impact on a lot of people and the potential benefits are, at the very least, questionable. It is quite reasonable and logical to say the govt should NOT be doing THAT!

Reasonable to who? If you believe that ICE engines are ruining the environment then it is reasonable to believe that the Government should ban them.