58 MPG by 2032

[5030]

Hardley? what are we talking about in the thread? what's the point?

The American V twin built from offshore parts. I own 4 bikes myself and one is a Hardley dresser.

 

[Robin Veerman]

Off topic a bit but…. I did have a Yamaha “Star Stratoliner” that would do circles around most “built” Harleys and sounded absolutely heavy and stout. Incredible 113” Vtwin that Yamaha has now faded away….

 

[arto98607]

How many vehicles get 58 mpg now? Will electric vehicles somehow get factored into that. Between this new standard and all the standards on all the home appliances things will get expensive.

Not too many I think.

I used to have a 2010 Jetta Wagon Diesel manual and I remember having seen 52 mpg couple of times, but that was not normally the case.

48 - 49 mpg was achievable on a freeway, but that was technology in a 2010 year model (pretty small car).

I think lot of things will have to change to get 58 mpg on average.


Photo taken on a freeway December 2014 while driving at a steady 63 mph

 

[RustyA]

It will be 1985 all over again when the cafe (corporate avg fuel economy) forced automakers to hit a mpg average or pay a fine for every vehicle they sold. Huge incentives on compact cars and it was hard to get 4x4 automatic trucks. Didn't work then and won't work now. People buy what they need to tow or haul passengers, not what the gov thinks they should buy. EVs will be averaged in so carmakers will sell them at a loss in order to be able to sell suburbans, escalades and expeditions. They'll add the losses to the cost of what people want.

 

[Torvy]

Fleet averages..so they will be forced to make more EVs to boost the averages for everything else. A Prius Prime gets about 133MPG all in and 54 with just the gas. If a Prime is the average, we will not have enough electricity production to meet those standards.

 

[Hay Dude]

Bid a final farewell to ICE vehicles!

 

[WinterDeere]

Bid a final farewell to ICE vehicles!

A lot of them, I suspect. But it's fleet average, so we'll have to see how EV's are counted. If counted as infinite, then each 2 EV sales will permit an ICE vehicle at 20 mph to be added to the fleet.

What's interesting is that I had assumed Dodge would continue just playing off the FCA fleet average, or buying credits, to keep making big-displacement ICE's. But with the 2024 Hellcat going electric, you gotta wonder what their next move will be.

Put otherwise, if even Dodge SRT is going electric, who's going to be the last hold-out?

 

[dodge man]

I wasn’t happy to see the Challenger going to be replaced by an electric. It will be fast so I thought it might be OK. Then I saw a video of some idiot designer talking about the “exhaust” on the new EV performance car. He went into all the details. I just wanted to find the guy, slap him around and make him admit that “exhaust” is just making fake noise. It’s an electric car, at least have the guts to leave the fake engine noise out. I lost all respect for them when I saw the video.

 

[Paystar]

Bid a final farewell to ICE vehicles!

They'll still be in my yard. I don't give a crap what i gotta pay for fuel.

 

[Paystar]

And when I can't buy fuel anymore, I'll be cooking a lot of french fries.

And robbing McDonalds of their fry oil, LOL