58 MPG by 2032

[D'oh]

Don't think VW replaced any of the vehicles in question with BIGGER POLLUTERS. What VW was caught doing was using computer software to lie about the actual pollutants being emitted at the exhaust by using electronic computer controls to bypass emission tests.

VW didn't, but did the Consumer, sell back VW their 60 MPG TDi Jetta and buy a Bicycle? No they purchase 35 mpg, Fusions, Malibu's, Chargers.

Yes VW cheated a EPA Test. A Test with a Mark set for Pollutants emitted by Diesel combustion in Under 8500 GVWR vehicle so Gasoline burning vehicles are not tested in the same manor, nor HD Vehicles over 8500 GVWR where the Standards are there but set at higher Particulates/Million.

 

[WinterDeere]

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VW didn't, but did the Consumer, sell back VW their 60 MPG TDi Jetta and buy a Bicycle? No they purchase 35 mpg, Fusions, Malibu's, Chargers.

Yep. But governing the purchase decisions of the consumer were not the cause for or intent of the ruling the lead to the buy back. it was to penalize VW, and send a message to any other automaker considering cheating the system in a similar manner.

 

[Paystar]

They have all "cheated" the system. But only a few were caught and made examples of.

 

[Hay Dude]

Good point. But if safety is the reason to add engine noise, then there's no way they're going to make a Hellcat sound like a Jetta, it's going to need some rumble and whine.

I will say that driving two relatively loud vehicles, I don't come across nearly as many deer on the road as my wife in her quieter vehicles. They can hear me coming, and I guess they've been conditioned by now to get out of the way of oncoming noise.

We don’t have those kind of deer in my area. They just run out in front of cars, whether it’s an EV or a Mack tri axle

 

[arto98607]

Check the EPA numbers.

Sure, but actual road tests by Edmunds, Car & Driver and such indicate higher fuel usage.

EPA numbers are fine for what they are, but as far as I know they are based on dynamometer testing, not actual real life driving.

 

[WinterDeere]

We don’t have those kind of deer in my area. They just run out in front of cars, whether it’s an EV or a Mack tri axle

I have no scientific proof for my claim, but in 35 years of driving on almost entirely wooded country roads in very dense deer country, I have not had a deer ever jump out in front of one of my loud cars in the way they do pretty regularly with our quieter vehicles. It's not unreasonable to expect that after 110+ years of continuous exposure to motor vehicles, the deer population has developed at least some passing inclination to get out of the way of oncoming vehicles, when said vehicles are loud enough to easily distinguish themselves from the majority of our regular and constant traffic noise.

I do see deer smeared on our roadways in a way that tells me they must've been run over by a semi or a tri-axle. And I'm sure some of them were actually hit and killed by such trucks, but I suspect not most. Rather, I assume more of these were initially killed by a passenger car and only later run over many times by larger vehicles, than actually running out in front of an oncoming semi-truck. The sheer numbers of passenger vehicles on the road help to support that, in addition to the fact that it's much harder to be surprised by an oncoming semi rattling up the road toward you.

 

[Torvy]

Sure, but actual road tests by Edmunds, Car & Driver and such indicate higher fuel usage.

EPA numbers are fine for what they are, but as far as I know they are based on dynamometer testing, not actual real life driving.

But the CAFE standards use the government data. Gotta use apples to apples.

 

[Gator6x4]

But the CAFE standards use the government data. Gotta use apples to apples.

https://reason.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/pb137_cafe_standards.pdf

 

[WilliamBos]

Just think how much fuel would be saved if Big Rigs were limited to 65 mph…. !?

Lower speed limits across the board to 65mph. There is a huge saving to be had everywhere.

 

[Torvy]

People back East love lowering speed limits. Never travel more than 65 miles, so cannot understand why those of us in the west drive fast.

 

[Richard]

I'm sold on a hybrid. I needed a new car, a friends son had passed so I bought his Honda Accord Hybrid.

I DO try to drive it very carefully as I get reimbursed for my mileage (higher MPG's I get, the better payout for me)

I started being VERY conscious on how I was driving maybe eight months ago. My MPG's (as calculated by car computer) were maybe 47 MPG. I wondered if I could get it to 50 mpg's.... took several months but I finally inched it up to 50 mpg's....

Had me wondering if I could go further.... last week, I hit 53.1 mpg's. The .1 comes & goes so I am finding it difficult to keep it there however, the terrain I drive on will certainly influence that so i keep at it.

Since it's an electric drive, you can put it into sport mode and have instant torque "right now".

Cutting to the chase, the car is one of the most FUN cars I've ever had (I owned a Chevelle in the late 70's and later on, owned a 4-4-2 so I know the kick in the pants torque can be)

This thing is pretty much as fun as those old muscle cars HOWEVER, I'm also getting 53 mpg's.... something unheard of with those old cars.

Personally, I think this is the way to go.....but, I don't have a political stick in the fire, I think they make good sense at this point in time.

 

[Gator6x4]

Lower speed limits across the board to 65mph. There is a huge saving to be had everywhere.

Highway Speed limits are limited to 65 mph in most states.

The problem being is that cars, trucks have a human operator. The human operator is where the problem is and there is no way to limit or restrict his/her activity except by putting some one in the vehicle with them armed with a cattle prod and use the prod to jog or refresh their memory each time they exceed 65 mph.

 

[bnold]

Thanks Jesus for 75-85mph speed limits in Tx.


Owned a 2003 5spd and 2010 6spd Jetta. Loved those little cars. Couple odd issues, glow plug harness, EGR valve, AC compressor, water pump, 100k timing belts.

Not too terrible on maintenance, put about 350k between the 2.

45-55mpg on the 2003
35-45mpg on the 2010 (much heavier and more powerful)

I got rid of both before the emissions cheater deal, probably wouldn’t own one now that they have been neutered.

Some of the German quality of individually numbered wires within the fabric wrapped loom inside of raceways sure was nice. Amercian car manufacturers only understand electrical tape and plastic loom

 

[Gator6x4]

Thanks Jesus for 75-85mph speed limits in Tx.


Owned a 2003 5spd and 2010 6spd Jetta. Loved those little cars. Couple odd issues, glow plug harness, EGR valve, AC compressor, water pump, 100k timing belts.

Not too terrible on maintenance, put about 350k between the 2.

45-55mpg on the 2003
35-45mpg on the 2010 (much heavier and more powerful)

I got rid of both before the emissions cheater deal, probably wouldn’t own one now that they have been neutered.

Some of the German quality of individually numbered wires within the fabric wrapped loom inside of raceways sure was nice. Amercian car manufacturers only understand electrical tape and plastic loom

Yep provides for some exciting moments. Cruising along at 80 mph and look over and some idiot who is passing you is limp wrist driving/steering with his arm draped over the top of the steering wheel.

 

[bnold]

Yep provides for some exciting moments. Cruising along at 80 mph and look over and some idiot who is passing you is limp wrist driving/steering with his arm draped over the top of the steering wheel.

Well depending on what I’m driving, possible my hands aren’t on the wheel at 85.

 

[Gator6x4]

Well depending on what I’m driving, possible my hands aren’t on the wheel at 85.

Unless you are driving one of the autonomous level 4 or 5 vehicles you are not going far at 80 plus mph per hour before you come to a sudden stop.

The 5 Autonomous Driving Levels Explained

Understand the different levels of driving automation to know where we stand with this rapidly advancing technology.

www.iotforall.com

 

[WilliamBos]

Highway Speed limits are limited to 65 mph in most states.

The problem being is that cars, trucks have a human operator. The human operator is where the problem is and there is no way to limit or restrict his/her activity except by putting some one in the vehicle with them armed with a cattle prod and use the prod to jog or refresh their memory each time they exceed 65 mph.

Heavy trucks here in Ontario are goverened to 105km/65mph. They may need to increase it to 110km since our 400 series highway have been increasedto 110km.

 

[Jstpssng]

People back East love lowering speed limits. Never travel more than 65 miles, so cannot understand why those of us in the west drive fast.

How fast is fast? There are places on the interstate where the SL is 75... which means that most are doing 80. Yet there are always a few who go by like we are sitting still. We don't have the long, straight, flat roads across wide open spaces here which you do, which is one of many reasons for the difference in viewpoints.

I don't know if it's true or not but back in the mid '80s I was on a crew with a college student from Missoula. He stated that the summons for exceeding the 55mph limit was for "squandering a natural resource" and the fine was a dollar.
That was one way to comply with federal mandates.

It makes you wonder if government is here to serve us, or if we are at the beck and call of the government.

 

[dodge man]

We have started driving more and not flying for different reasons in the last three years. Most places we’ve been the speed limit is at least 70 mph on the interstate and I know many are 75 mph. Utah was 80 mph. You can cover some serious ground at those speeds and I’d hate to see them rolled back.

 

[deserteagle71]

We have started driving more and not flying for different reasons in the last three years. Most places we’ve been the speed limit is at least 70 mph on the interstate and I know many are 75 mph. Utah was 80 mph. You can cover some serious ground at those speeds and I’d hate to see them rolled back.

Same here. Nevada/Utah/Wyoming speed limit is 80 mph. I set the cruise at 83 mph (no worries about speeding tickets at that speed) and let the truck eat up the miles.