Just arrived and hour meter is broken

[Fuddyduddy1952]

I checked best as I could, apparently tractorhouse is part of Sandhills Global, 45 years in business in Lincoln Nebraska.
Sites like scam advisor give it highest rating.
BBB both A+ ratings, a few resolved complaints.
I believe everyone here is trying to help and offer advice. Is there a Kubota dealer near you? That's an important question and I'm betting if you speak with an attorney would ask. Important because their expert opinion supercedes your thoughts. They could check it out, then give a good estimate of hours, replace bad tire and service it.
I'm thinking tractorhouse is a connection between private and business sellers and buying customers.
Certainly best advice to anyone especially with that much money involved is physically looking it over, hands on testing it.
Years ago a car I wanted was 500 miles, 9 hours away. I had a fellow I trusted in that area look it over and I spoke with the original owner. It also was $30K...I'd never buy it otherwise.

 

[paulsharvey]

Buying used golf clubs or a fridge sight unseen is a gamble. Buying a kubota from a kubota dealer shouldn't be.

Yes, and no; they arent going to do an indepth check or service a trade in, before placing it for sale. I'm sure the dealer has a 15 point check list or something, but they aren't spending 4 hours going over a trade-in. (and neither are car dealers). Now, if it's a lease turn in, they probably do a more in depth check, just so they can charge the returnee.

 

[Atypical_decorum]

They probably took that on trade a few days or weeks ago and didn’t do a test anymore involved than driving in a few circles. Why would being from a dealer guarantee a better product?

I hate to answer a question with a question, but why wouldn't it be?

If I were buying a used barrett from a barrett dealer, it's reasonable to assume the dealer would look at the rifle with a more skilled eye then someone at a flea market, as it's a barret rifle being sold by barrett. Same with LaRue, Surgeon or any other brand.

 

[4570Man]

I hate to answer a question with a question, but why wouldn't it be?

If I were buying a used barrett from a barrett dealer, it's reasonable to assume the dealer would look at the rifle with a more skilled eye then someone at a flea market, as it's a barret rifle being sold by barrett. Same with LaRue, Surgeon or any other brand.

Did they claim to do a rigorous inspection? Usually if it starts, drives forward and backwards and the loader lifts it’s ready to hit the used lot. If you want the assurance of being perfect and an assurance to make it right if it’s not they sell new tractors for a lot more than 30k.

 

[paulsharvey]

I hate to answer a question with a question, but why wouldn't it be?

If I were buying a used barrett from a barrett dealer, it's reasonable to assume the dealer would look at the rifle with a more skilled eye then someone at a flea market, as it's a barret rifle being sold by barrett. Same with LaRue, Surgeon or any other brand.

I agree in principle, but in reality, the Barrette dealer is going to make sure its unloaded, wipe it down, and put a tag on it. They aren't going to check headspacing, bore condition, or live fire it. They probably will dry fire in once or twice to confirm nothing obviously wrong.

 

[Atypical_decorum]

The one original front tire (if it's truly orginal) that is nearly wrong out, could be a sign that is has more than 1500 hours, but it could have been a road mowing machine, and that would be perfectly in-line with the hours. The backs and other front being newer, surely they didn't wear the backs out in 1500 hours, but probably they were damaged? I would 'think' the rears would last 2500-3000 hours with 'normal' use.

The report is that the original owner used it for hay. From the smell, I'd say cattle too. They could be a set of used rears too. The unfortunate possibilities are endless once the main means of age are broken.

 

[Atypical_decorum]

Did they claim to do a rigorous inspection? Usually if it starts it’s ready to hit the used lot. If you want the assurance of being perfect and an assurance to make it right if it’s not they sell new tractors for a lot more than 30k.

The only things they claimed was 1555 hours, working condition, and 16spd. The rest was pictures and videos.

 

[paulsharvey]

Hopefully, when you get a chance to talk to them, they offer something to make it right.

Now, you probably should ask yourself, at this point, what would make it right in your mind. Would accepting the machine back, minus shipping, 'make it right', would throwing you a $500 credit foe a service and an hour meter, and maybe a $750 front tire, 'make it right'. I'm not saying yes or no, but if the conversation goes well tomorrow, you probably should have an idea of what your asking for, before you start talking.

 

[Atypical_decorum]

I agree in principle, but in reality, the Barrette dealer is going to make sure its unloaded, wipe it down, and put a tag on it. They aren't going to check headspacing, bore condition, or live fire it. They probably will dry fire in once or twice to confirm nothing obviously wrong.

Maybe. But a broken hour meter is like a bent barrel. Hard to not see.


When I worked in a gun store I checked every firearm that passed though carefully. At the rental counter I checked each firearm with it's biweekly dissasembly/cleaning.

 

[Atypical_decorum]

Hopefully, when you get a chance to talk to them, they offer something to make it right.

Now, you probably should ask yourself, at this point, what would make it right in your mind. Would accepting the machine back, minus shipping, 'make it right', would throwing you a $500 credit foe a service and an hour meter, and maybe a $750 front tire, 'make it right'. I'm not saying yes or no, but if the conversation goes well tomorrow, you probably should have an idea of what your asking for, before you start talking.

I'd rather they take it back.

Average tractor age in hours is 10k. Say I'm at 6000, I'm way closer to major repairs. $500 isn't squat.

If I were thinking of a rebuild or major maintence probability, I would have added $5k or $6k to my purchase price and found a tractor in the sub 1k hour range. Price per hour, this tractor was the best deal. The next best deal was $36.5k when looking at PPH and since I didn't want DEF.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

Getting your panties in a wad over it will do nothing but give you a sore crack...

You sound like a reputable person.... I'd bet a nickle you're a dealer of some sort...maybe used cars.

What you're talking about is a defamation suit. There are clear lines of what makes a defamation suit and what would provide grounds for a counter suit to stand on.

It's a shame you have conflated the two - one being false advertising and two being defamation. However, I glad I had the chance to explain it, so now you know.

Just to follow your "logic" they could have advertised it as a 0 hour tractor too, well, any could advertise any tractor as a 0 hour machine because it once had 0 hours?

And because I like spinning my wheels, when you enter into a sales transaction with a set of facts on each side, those facts need to be correct. The seller was representing the tractor (falsely) and I was the interested party who fulfilled my end of the deal. As the dealer didn't say the the hours were unknown or eluded to possible 15xx hours or more v stating they were 1555 hours, they are to shoulder the responsibility for their error, not the buyer. It's a strange concept that the buyer would both be responsible for the dealers irresponsibility in factually representing the item AND play the role of the buyer whose only job it is to agree to terms/represented information and fund the sale.

Looking forward to your well thought out retort.

If that dealer had a dated pic, which most pics nowadays are, with that hour meter reading those hours, at that time...

If the dealer stated the hours, based on the information he had at the time...

I'm not confluted, I'm two steps ahead of you. If this dude claims fraudulent BS on the dealer, with a lawsuit, and if there is no previous history of a bunch of prior lawsuits against the same dealer, for the same thing, then the accuser has left himself open to a very big lawsuit. The accuser only can go after his 30,000 dollars. The accused can countersue for millions, no real limit on what dealer can countersue for.

I'm looking at the end of this. I see the end from the beginning.

Plus, since the buyer has done blabbed and belly ached so much on here, not a chance in h. e. double L that he can ever just fix the hour meter and pass it on. So, he'll have to keep it or lose his rear.

I do not have a 200 IQ, but I can pass tests all day long at 184, consistently. They gave me 13 tests back to back at the last time I was tested. 184-185. It's really not a blessing, removes too much mystery from life.

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

With a 184 I.Q., you should know "The accused can countersue for millions, no real limit on what dealer can countersue for." isn't true.

 

[4570Man]

With a 184 I.Q., you should know "The accused can countersue for millions, no real limit on what dealer can countersue for." isn't true.

If you want to write the attorney fat checks you can sue for whatever you want to.

 

[Atypical_decorum]

If that dealer had a dated pic, which most pics nowadays are, with that hour meter reading those hours, at that time...

If the dealer stated the hours, based on the information he had at the time...

I'm not confluted, I'm two steps ahead of you. If this dude claims fraudulent BS on the dealer, with a lawsuit, and if there is no previous history of a bunch of prior lawsuits against the same dealer, for the same thing, then the accuser has left himself open to a very big lawsuit. The accuser only can go after his 30,000 dollars. The accused can countersue for millions, no real limit on what dealer can countersue for.

I'm looking at the end of this. I see the end from the beginning.

Plus, since the buyer has done blabbed and belly ached so much on here, not a chance in h. e. double L that he can ever just fix the hour meter and pass it on. So, he'll have to keep it or lose his rear.

I do not have a 200 IQ, but I can pass tests all day long at 184, consistently. They gave me 13 tests back to back at the last time I was tested. 184-185. It's really not a blessing, removes too much mystery from life.

"conflated". And you don't really know what you're talking about Mr. Mensa.

 

[Atypical_decorum]

If you want to write the attorney fat checks you can sue for whatever you want to. Actually winning is a different matter.

Lawyers give options. You don't have to hire them to be heard by an arbitrator or judge. You can also just file paperwork yourself. It's not all that hard.

 

[4570Man]

Lawyers give options. You don't have to hire them to be heard by an arbitrator or judge. You can also just file paperwork yourself. It's not all that hard.

When you talk to the dealer tomorrow I’d leave those ideas out of the discussion or he’s probably going to tell you to pound sand real quick.

 

[BlueKnife]

Maybe. But a broken hour meter is like a bent barrel. Hard to not see.

Why would a dealer run a tractor long enough to notice that an hour meter doesn't work? Can't see any reason they'd run a machine like that for more than a half hour, max, probably considerably less.

 

[Yander]

Why would a dealer run a tractor long enough to notice that an hour meter doesn't work? Can't see any reason they'd run a machine like that for more than a half hour, max, probably considerably less.

They should, it isn't that hard to start up a machine and let it run for an hour.

 

[4570Man]

Why would a dealer run a tractor long enough to notice that an hour meter doesn't work? Can't see any reason they'd run a machine like that for more than a half hour, max, probably considerably less.

I couldn’t tell you how many hours any of my multiple machines have to within one hour accuracy from memory. It would take me a long time to realize a meter isn’t working. I’d figure out a broke tack faster but all except one of my machines are electric meters.

 

[4570Man]

They should, it isn't that hard to start up a machine and let it run for an hour.

Why would they waste time and money running potentially hundreds of machines for 1 hour to verify the meter doesn’t work? Even if you verify it doesn’t what’s your next step? You still aren’t any closer to knowing it’s accurate count.