Starlink

[sodamo]

Amazon has various Eero touters on sale Cyber Monday
Been happy with mine.

SL shifted Dishy from 1° to 75° azimuth and 56° elevation from more flat.

 

[Torvy]

Finally got 5 hours of data...we are unobstructed! Glad the work of putting it up there at least solved that problem.

Thanks for the reminder about cyber Monday.

 

[ponytug]

Says it is burial rated.

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Our whole electric system has a surge protector/conditioner on it. I know that does not cover the ethernet. I'll have to take a look at that. Right now, my lightning diversion is having a lot of trees that are taller than our buildings. Haha

That is great that it is burial rated.

Whole house surge protectors are great, but the quality surge protector strips and outlet protectors have tighter voltage ranges, that can further limit the surge voltage. I think both are necessary in a modern house. I have pretty much anything with electronics in it on a surge protector strip, in addition to the whole house. (Belt and suspenders perhaps, but it beats the pants off running around after a big surge getting new equipment on short notice in my book.)

Tall trees work both ways; they pick up the bolt, so you don't have a direct hit, but it means that there is an EMP pulse nearby. I think that there isn't a universal solution or we would all be doing it.

Overall, it sounds great.

All the best,

Peter

 

[stumblinhorse]

More weaponizing of our government.

Elon Musk’s Starlink Denied $900 Million Rural Broadband Subsidy

The Federal Communications Commission said Starlink failed “to meet the program requirements.”

www.forbes.com

 

[LouNY]

More weaponizing of our government.

Elon Musk’s Starlink Denied $900 Million Rural Broadband Subsidy

The Federal Communications Commission said Starlink failed “to meet the program requirements.”

www.forbes.com

For sure, it seems like the FCC balked because of the initial cost of equipment for consumers.

 

[stumblinhorse]

For sure, it seems like the FCC balked because of the initial cost of equipment for consumers.

Going after Musk by our government is just gonna hurt us rural folks…

 

[BigBlue1]

More weaponizing of our government.

Elon Musk’s Starlink Denied $900 Million Rural Broadband Subsidy

The Federal Communications Commission said Starlink failed “to meet the program requirements.”

www.forbes.com

"Starlink failed to show it could meet its obligations to provide high-speed internet service to enough rural areas"

That could be the single most idiotic determination every made. Starlink has proved beyond doubt that it can provide speedy, reliable internet anywhere there is power and a view of the sky. But with the government we have the level of stupid doesn't surprise me.

 

[ponytug]

I think that this has been brewing for a long time.

I think that the underlying issue that the FCC is moving the definition of broadband to a minimum of 100Mbits/s down and 25Mbits/s. Starlink's somewhat variable performance up and down would not meet the emerging definition.

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-395439A1.pdf

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-23-60A1.pdf

Starlink has made no attestations to the FCC that it could deliver a minimum of 100/20Mbits/s that I am aware of.

Even a Starlink business account is stated to be just 40+Mbits/s down and 8-25Mbits/s up.

Starlink Business

Reliable high-speed internet for business.

www.starlink.com

Don't get me wrong, I love having Starlink, but the delivered performance is much less than the FCC is aiming to get delivered to rural and other underserved areas.

All the best,

Peter

 

[stumblinhorse]

I think that this has been brewing for a long time.

I think that the underlying issue that the FCC is moving the definition of broadband to a minimum of 100Mbits/s down and 25Mbits/s. Starlink's somewhat variable performance up and down would not meet the emerging definition.

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-395439A1.pdf

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-23-60A1.pdf

Starlink has made no attestations to the FCC that it could deliver a minimum of 100/20Mbits/s that I am aware of.

Even a Starlink business account is stated to be just 40+Mbits/s down and 8-25Mbits/s up.

Starlink Business

Reliable high-speed internet for business.

www.starlink.com

Don't get me wrong, I love having Starlink, but the delivered performance is much less than the FCC is aiming to get delivered to rural and other underserved areas.

All the best,

Peter

This has been brewing ever since the administration gave the green light to go after Musk after his purchase of twitter.

SpaceX is being charged with incinerating 7 bobwhite quail eggs by the US fish and wildlife during their rocket explosion. Weaponizing government.

Where I live 30MB down ”was” the best that could be had it was $175/month just in 2021. That was before starlink, now somehow that same 30MB is $85 a month….

 

[ponytug]

This has been brewing ever since the administration gave the green light to go after Musk after his purchase of twitter.

SpaceX is being charged with incinerating 7 bobwhite quail eggs by the US fish and wildlife during their rocket explosion. Weaponizing government.

Where I live 30MB down ”was” the best that could be had it was $175/month just in 2021. That was before starlink, now somehow that same 30MB is $85 a month….

Actually the FCC move to define broadband as 100/25 started back in 2014, and therefore greatly predates the Twitter acquisition. You might want to check your details before posting.

While I am sure that Elon did not blow up the SpaceX rocket to break a few quail eggs, I would suggest that it might fall under the general concept of needing to pay for damaging other people's property and the environment for which there are, yes, a few rules and laws. Just as a reminder, BP paid $4.5B in fines and over $65B in clean up for the Deepwater Horizon spill in the Gulf.

Deepwater Horizon oil spill - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

All the best,

Peter

 

[stumblinhorse]

Actually the FCC move to define broadband as 100/25 started back in 2014, and therefore greatly predates the Twitter acquisition. You might want to check your details before posting.

While I am sure that Elon did not blow up the SpaceX rocket to break a few quail eggs, I would suggest that it might fall under the general concept of needing to pay for damaging other people's property and the environment for which there are, yes, a few rules and laws. Just as a reminder, BP paid $4.5B in fines and over $65B in clean up for the Deepwater Horizon spill in the Gulf.

Deepwater Horizon oil spill - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

All the best,

Peter

Interesting than the subsidy was granted well after 2014. And subsidy just was rescinded this week. But it will only hurt people with starlink, since the price will have to go up…

Well little different than deep water horizon. It was 4 acres of a state park…. The other land was owned by spaceX.

 

[scootr]

Friday night 6 pm peak usage time. I'm getting 201.41 down and 30.72 up
thank you Elon and
F the FCC

 

[techman]

Satellite service is always going to be more expensive than a terrestrial solution. As mentioned the equipment cost is the highest of other solutions. Also due to the high per subscriber cost the government would be subsidizing more costs for a system that has inherently higher costs.

 

[LouNY]

Satellite service is always going to be more expensive than a terrestrial solution. As mentioned the equipment cost is the highest of other solutions. Also due to the high per subscriber cost the government would be subsidizing more costs for a system that has inherently higher costs.

No it should not be. It should also not be subsidizing wired systems either.

 

[BigBlue1]

Satellite service is always going to be more expensive than a terrestrial solution. As mentioned the equipment cost is the highest of other solutions. Also due to the high per subscriber cost the government would be subsidizing more costs for a system that has inherently higher costs.

That's an odd way to look at the situation. Since no ISPs' infrastructure was (or would be) built from the ground up for this effort the only net cost to extending Internet to rural areas is the infrastructure related to the actual extension. That is going to be cheaper by far for Starlink. The only cost is the user terminal and incremental user traffic on the main Starlink network (sat system and ground stations). For any terrestrial ISP the cost includes all the copper or fiber and switching stations to get the network extended to all users. At thousands or tens of thousands of dollars per mile that cost per residence is going to be WAY higher since most rural areas probably have only a couple people per mile.

And "high per-subscriber cost"?? Do you live in rural areas? The $90 I pay for Starlink is cheaper than any other rural ISP option out there. Even when I had DSL ("5 Mb/s", which was more like 3) it was $100/month. I've never had an ISP in the last 15 years, even when I lived in a metro area, that was more than a few dollars cheaper than Starlink. Probably never under $80/mo. One of our kids just signed up for entry level DSL in a city nearby and it is over $90/mo for 30 Mb/s. Starlink is competitive.

 

[plowhog]

Not sure if this has been mentioned. I saw Starlink for sale by Costco-- $2,499.

 

[NoTrespassing]

Satellite service is always going to be more expensive than a terrestrial solution. As mentioned the equipment cost is the highest of other solutions. Also due to the high per subscriber cost the government would be subsidizing more costs for a system that has inherently higher costs.

Imagine if the federal government quit subsidizing Amtrak because of the high per rider costs. It would cease to exist. I'm not in favor of either btw.

 

[WM75Guy]

Imagine if the federal government quit subsidizing Amtrak because of the high per rider costs. It would cease to exist. I'm not in favor of either btw.

Not going to happen anytime soon with the new government travel requirements for employees requiring train travel.

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

I have pretty much given up using Starlnk. My daughter and granddaughter were here a few weeks ago and had brought her Xbox and connected through the Starlink. I watched the progress line as she tried to download a large file. It started out fast, but at about 33% it started to slow down. it was like somebody was turning off a faucet. By the time it got to 50% the data had stopped flowing. Tried it three times and failed. Switched to the local wireless ISP and it downloaded it flawlessly. It was initially a bit slower, but by the time it got to 25% it was obviously faster than Starlink at that point.
I've had the same problem streaming videos. After a while Starlink throttles the feed and I end up trying to watch an HD video on an 4K TV in 480p.

 

[Torvy]

Sounds like you have the discount version. I have had no download problems. The only issue at all has been the occasional dropped call using wifi calling. (Cell service is 0 inside our metal house and only 2 bars outside).