UTV Winch?

[sandman2234]

I got my John Deere 2555 stuck in the slick stuff next to a pond and the R-1 tires dug for China before I could stomp on the clutch. A 4x4 F250 wouldn't budge it, and then added a Nissan pickup, still no go. Finally locked my F350 down and used it and the F250 as an anchor and used the winch on the Nissan to pull it out.
Last month I went and picked up two dead tractors,one dragging a bush hog and the other dragging a tiller, and pulled them up onto my Big Tex trailer with a 3500 winch, but I triple blocked it. I learned a lesson about those hooks with the roller that HF sells. Not worth the cheap money they cost! The cast aluminum roller shatters under load. I ended up going to Tractor Supply and bought ones that were rated for what I was doing. The winch came from Amazon, and worked great. I didn't cut it any slack, and had it powered by 4 tractor trailer batteries tied together, and a set of jumper cables running to those off the two batteries in my F350.
David from jax

 

[John_Mc]

I learned a lesson about those hooks with the roller that HF sells. Not worth the cheap money they cost! The cast aluminum roller shatters under load. I ended up going to Tractor Supply and bought ones that were rated for what I was doing.

I was thinking of grabbing one of those hook pulleys.

Was this the HF hook/pulley you were talking about:

4 in. 1-1/2 ton Capacity Aluminum Sheave Block With Hook

Amazing deals on this 4In 1-1/2 Ton Aluminum Sheave Block W/ Hook at Harbor Freight. Quality tools & low prices.

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I looked at one of those and was concerned that it was too light-duty for my needs.

I wonder if this one would hold up better. I didn't see it when I was last in the HF in my area.

4000 lb. Capacity Lifting Block

Amazing deals on this 4000Lb Capacity Lifting Block at Harbor Freight. Quality tools & low prices.

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I do have the HF Badland Snatch Block for $30 which seems fairly solid, but I have not used very heavily yet. (I've never tried the Badland Apex forged Snatch Block for $55)

 

[sandman2234]

I was thinking of grabbing one of those hook pulleys.

Was this the HF hook/pulley you were talking about:

4 in. 1-1/2 ton Capacity Aluminum Sheave Block With Hook

Amazing deals on this 4In 1-1/2 Ton Aluminum Sheave Block W/ Hook at Harbor Freight. Quality tools & low prices.

www.harborfreight.com

I looked at one of those and was concerned that it was too light-duty for my needs.

I wonder if this one would hold up better. I didn't see it when I was last in the HF in my area.

4000 lb. Capacity Lifting Block

Amazing deals on this 4000Lb Capacity Lifting Block at Harbor Freight. Quality tools & low prices.

www.harborfreight.com

I do have the HF Badland Snatch Block for $30 which seems fairly solid, but I have not used very heavily yet. (I've never tried the Badland Apex forged Snatch Block for $55)

The block in picture was the ones that broke on me. I bought half a dozen of them for the trip, trying to cover all the bases since I didn't know what I was getting into. When I went to nearest store that had anything to offer, I was lucky that had enough higher quality items to allow me to load the 2 tractors and implements. I had 2 winches with me, and the Block failure took out the cable on one, so while I was at Tractor Supply, I also bought another winch because it was cheaper to buy the whole winch rather than just a new cable (which they didn't have ends for anyway).
David from jax

 

[sandman2234]

The block in picture was the ones that broke on me. I bought half a dozen of them for the trip, trying to cover all the bases since I didn't know what I was getting into.

Here is one of the broken rollers

 

[Sawyer Rob]

I have a few HF snatch blocks, you can see one hanging on my winch,

I've made some HARD pulls on them and they handled it just fine.

I did take them apart when I got bought them, put a film of synthetic grease on the axles and re-assembled.

SR

 

[koshari]

I have a few HF snatch blocks, you can see one hanging on my winch,

I've made some HARD pulls on them and they handled it just fine.

I did take them apart when I got bought them, put a film of synthetic grease on the axles and re-assembled.

SR

Some have grease nipples.

 

[WranglerX]

Here is one of the broken rollers

Prefer all steel for real work..... But then with a 10,000 lb. winch you can break anything...

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Some have grease nipples.

Yes, some do, but these things don't run constant, so a film of grease on the axle/bush will last for years, and it won't get over greased or end up with a damaged grease zerk.

SO, mine don't have a zerk and for the limited use a snatch block gets, they don't need one.

SR

 

[EdwardL]

What is the weight of the tractor? A winch needs to be pulling at least twice the tractor weight to get it up a hill or out of mud.

 

[Bearsixty7]

What is the weight of the tractor? A winch needs to be pulling at least twice the tractor weight to get it up a hill or out of mud.

That may be overkill. 50% more should be plenty as a 9500lb tractor won't require 9500lbs of force to pull it up a hill, It could lift itself vertically. If stuck really bad, use a snatch block and double the winches pulling power.

Line Pull is the maximum pull your winch can produce before it stalls. For example a 9,500 lbs. winch can produce a line pull of 9,500 lbs

 

[EdwardL]

That may be overkill. 50% more should be plenty as a 9500lb tractor won't require 9500lbs of force to pull it up a hill, It could lift itself vertically. If stuck really bad, use a snatch block and double the winches pulling power.

Line Pull is the maximum pull your winch can produce before it stalls. For example a 9,500 lbs. winch can produce a line pull of 9,500 lbs

I do not agree. I have a 4500 lb jeep and a 4500 lb warn winch, with a snatch block. It could not pull the jeep up a 16% grade. Had to get out the 8000 lb winch.

Mostly I use the little winch to pull logs into a dump trailer, and the 8000 lb winch when the jeep is stuck, or when I need to pull a 25 in log up a hill. Been doing this for years, so I know what I'm doing.

 

[sandman2234]

Prefer all steel for real work..... But then with a 10,000 lb. winch you can break anything...

I agree! This trip was unexpected, and I hurried around and picked up everything "I thought" I would need on the trip, to do what "I thought" I was going to do! I had a friend who was going to re-deck the trailer for me "when he got around to it". I hurriedly put the aluminum floor down, mounted the winch and a tray to hold the 4 batteries I had recently retrieved from a Prevost. The trip turned out pretty well, all in all, except for a wheel bearing heating up 150 miles from home, then me realizing when we pulled the drums, that the heat had gotten to the brake linings, and while waiting on those parts, I glanced at the date code on the 14ply tires, so after packing all four wheel bearings, putting 4 new sets of brakes, and just for fun, went with 4 new tires, which required 4 new rims, because I figured I would be heavy on the return trip, and going from 16" 14 ply tires to 17.5" 16ply tires just seemed like a good idea.
When I was grabbing things to make the trip, I grabbed what I had and a trip to Harbor Freight and Tractor Supply gave me the rest. The 2 winches came via Amazon, thanks to another member ordering them for me while I was still out on the road.
When I broke the last pulley block, I started looking for a machine shop to make me a roller out of a piece of steel shafting, or let me borrow a lathe long enough to do it myself, but he suggested Tractor Supply(which I wasn't aware had opened a store in that town) so I went there and got what I needed to finish loading both tractors. Neither had been run in at least 5 years.
Oh, the two winches I bought were 4500 pound winches, and triple blocked came right up on my trailer, dragging the bushhog behind the Massey 65 and the a tiller behind the Hinomoto. No issues with power, the four batteries handled it fine!
David from jax

 

[sandman2234]

I do not agree. I have a 4500 lb jeep and a 4500 lb warn winch, with a snatch block. It could not pull the jeep up a 16% grade. Had to get out the 8000 lb winch.

Mostly I use the little winch to pull logs into a dump trailer, and the 8000 lb winch when the jeep is stuck, or when I need to pull a 25 in log up a hill. Been doing this for years, so I know what I'm doing.

Some of that might have been which cable layer you were on, or just how much power you were able to supple to the winch. Read my previous post what I did with a 4500 pound winch. The fact that I supplied more battery to it than it needed to do the whole job had to have helped.
Winches are usually rated as rolling capacity, not pulling uphill, so the manufacturer of your winch might be cutting it close?
David from jax

 

[walhondingMF]

I do not plan on pulling the tractor with the winch. The plan is just to pull firewood logs to a location out to a trail where I can either buck it or hook my log drag on to it. If the log is so big that the winch wont drag it, I will probably just put the effort into clearing a path or using a different process.

 

[walhondingMF]

Finished it up yesterday. I still plan on buying a quick connection at some point so I do not need to remove the cables so much.

 

[John_Mc]

Winches are usually rated as rolling capacity, not pulling uphill, so the manufacturer of your winch might be cutting it close?

Every winch I've looked at was rated at pounds of pull. (though admittedly, I have not investigated this for very many brands of winches.) Nothing to do with rolling capacity or dragging or uphill. It's the pounds exerted, regardless of what they are exerted on.

Trailer hitches are generally rated at rolling capacity.