I'm in the wrong trade... bathroom remodel...

   / I'm in the wrong trade... bathroom remodel...
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#71  
Sincere thanks for the responses Eddie and PH on the ceiling tiles. Believe me, we know that is going to be a must in the kitchen to be replaced.

Earlier this year, we changed out about 128 ceiling tiles in the basement. Original tiles were those "acoustic holy tiles" type that you see in the kitchen. We went with the smooth "finished looked" type tiles, and honestly dislike them almost as much, because even though they're smooth, and we were hoping it would give us a more finished looked, it seems like once you touch them (even with gloves on) they get a slight smear on the finish side of the tile. Tried wiping them down to no avail. Perhaps if the basement had no exterior lighting it wouldn't stick out, but it is a walk out basement with large amount of window space on the exterior side, and when you walk downstairs during the day, the exterior lightly just makes any little scuff mark stick out like a sore thumb to us.

Perhaps if we didn't have to cut the tiles for lights or registers for the ductwork, but found it impossible not to put your hands on the tiles to do that work.

Funny enough, with the new ceiling tiles in the basement, go down when it's dark outside and only turn on the drop canned interior lighting, you see nothing per "scuff marks".

Honestly, just another reason why when we sell, we're just going to go with a single story house or at worst, one with a basement only.

HVAC system on the 3rd floor for the upstairs living sleeping areas, and HVAC systems in the basement for the basement and first floor means there are two levels of mechanicals instead of just one.

The guy who did our deck end of last year (which we really like) suggested finishing off the ceiling in the kitchen with new drop lights. I'd like to remove all the tiles though before we make that decision to see exactly what is everything above those tiles in the kitchen. I'd never do something like that in the basement because when I replaced that attic HVAC system, the line set was run down to the basement above the ceiling tiles out through the sidewall. I also had to remove all the dryer vent pipe about 10 years ago. Pain in the butt with ceiling tiles, but at least you had access to what you needed to do.

Wife originally pointed out the PVC type ceiling tiles and looked at them at Lowes, but needing 128 2'x4' ceiling tiles and the PVC type costing at least 3-5 times as much for the same size tile.

Eddie, I will most likely take your suggestion on painting the cabinets. My wife and I would NEVER think like that because it's something we'd never do ourselves, but one thing that will be done is the interior will be repainted entirely in a more neutral color, and in the grand scheme of things, you line of reasoning is making more sense to me.

Besides that, with a BUTTLOAD of dogs over two decades living in the house (particularly in our younger years when we fostered for the local humane society), everything needs to be repainted inside anyways LOL
 
   / I'm in the wrong trade... bathroom remodel... #72  
I did some work for a church that had ceiling tiles because of al the duct work above that area. This was for the Youth side of things, and they had me build them a stage for performances. Since all the duct work had to stay, and there was some exposed water lines and wiring, I just painted everything black. For that job, the paint just made the ceiling sort of disappear. It gave them four more feet of height, and once everything above was all the same color, you never even noticed it.

This wont work for your house. But I do believe their are other options then ceiling tiles for your kitchen. If you can, post pictures of it after you remove it and hopefully something will become obvious. In my opinion, that ceiling is going to hurt the sales prices of your home if you use ceiling tiles.

On an old Victorian type home here in Tyler, I had a client that wanted a room converted into a massive walk in closet. There was a list of issues that had been done over the years from different remodels. The ceiling was really bad, it had a bunch of molding that was coming apart, and the actually ceiling had been patched from water leaks so many times it had to be replaced. The ceiling was about ten feet up, but since this was just going to be a closet, we decided that it would be faster, cheaper, and probably look better, if I just built a new ceiling below the original one. I ran some joists across the room, installed sheetrock, and nobody could tell that it wasn't always like that.

How high off the floor is your current tile ceiling?
 
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   / I'm in the wrong trade... bathroom remodel... #73  
i have been remodeling homes for over 40 yrs now and i am shocked at how material prices just keep going up and up, Yet people seem to have no problem paying 50 to 100 grand for a kitchen remodel or 15 to 20 for a bath , we demo a lot of old baths that are tile floor to ceiling over concrete and metal lathe , totally sucks and is expensive ,
 
   / I'm in the wrong trade... bathroom remodel... #75  
tubs are going out of style but many people still insist on having one.
Wisconsin code requires there be at least one tub in a house. I know this as to get my CO, I had to have a functioning kitchen (sink, stove, oven, fridge) and one full bath (sink, toilet, tub with or without shower)
 
   / I'm in the wrong trade... bathroom remodel... #76  
Wisconsin code requires there be at least one tub in a house. I know this as to get my CO, I had to have a functioning kitchen (sink, stove, oven, fridge) and one full bath (sink, toilet, tub with or without shower)
Interesting how code differs all the way to no code.

I see homes more often with no tubs...
 
   / I'm in the wrong trade... bathroom remodel... #77  
When a company comes to you, they are running at least 20% overhead.

Margins can actually vary between service and install with HVAC, but your service department runs you way more overhead than install, but service should actually make you more margin.

I don't generally deal with homeowners, nor do I really want to. That said, the few times I've dealt with homeowners, I'm batting over 80% selling the job and funny enough, sometimes I am the highest priced quote they had.

That said, I know my market and my costs, and I know what I'm selling, and I know I need to make money. There are some companies out there that would be higher than myself who are only using service techs selling from a list price book that the "home office" (actually owned by a investment company) who are REALLY high in price.

Funny, I had a buddy from another contractor quote a job at 8k for a changeout, and he was making money. Problem is, the end user talked to two other companies who were owned by investment companies and the other 2 quotes came in at 13K and 15K, and since he was so much lower, the end user was afraid to use him. My buddy was kicking himself because he didn't come in higher LOL

Two of the biggest HVAC companies in my area are now owned by private equity, and by all accounts you really want nothing to do with them. It seems like an odd fit, but apparently it's something going on all over the country.

You should make sure that you're dealing with an owner-operated company. Private equity is bad for the customers, bad for the employees, only good for the investors.
 
   / I'm in the wrong trade... bathroom remodel...
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#78  
You should make sure that you're dealing with an owner-operated company. Private equity is bad for the customers, bad for the employees, only good for the investors.
For most people, trying to find out if you HVAC company is owned by an investment company is pretty hard to do. Believe me, they buy the company name and "brand", and try to keep it exactly like it is.

A old HVAC company owner moved to Georgia 4 years ago and they (investment company) still have him and his wife on the company website pretending they still own the company.

The best advice I can give anyone when spending a large sum of money is get at least 3 quotes, compare those quotes, don't always go to the lowest quotes, but ask numerous questions from the quote to ensure your comparing apples to apples.
 
   / I'm in the wrong trade... bathroom remodel...
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#79  
When it comes to tubs, after having my dad move in with us at age 86, if we build the home we'll die in, a must will be walk in tub / shower arrangement.

We waited until the last year and a half of his life to install one (at age 89) and there are so many more reasons why they are safer vs a shower or a tub with a shower IMO. My father also enjoyed the water jets in that tub for a long hot soak.

Thing is, when it comes to buying something for yourself and spending money for something that just "because your getting old", you'll never want to spend the money for yourself unless you can see the benefits first hand with your parents IMO.
 
   / I'm in the wrong trade... bathroom remodel... #80  
I see homes more often with no tubs...
That has also been my experience in California. Probably a consideration is the amount of water a tub can use. The tub I added when we built a new home was 77 gals.
 

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