Lightning strike, well pump box failed

[steve tym]

Do not install filters before your tank.
Install the largest tank you can.
The 26 gallon tank will give you 8 or so gallons of draw down.
X-Trol tanks are not what they used to be. I see far too many go back under warrenty.
Don't buy from a box store.
We install hundreds of Flexcon tanks every year.

 

[WoodChuckDad]

My check valve is 195 feet down the well on the top of my pump. The csv is 4 feet from the top of that line, below the pitless adapter. The line from wellhead to house is almost 300 feet. Just before the line enters the house there is a t and 50 foot line to a yard hydrant. And about 80 feet from the wellhead there is a T and 150 foot line to a hydrant. I intend to put a T in that line and run 300 feet to barn, then t off that and cascade another thousand or so feet from there to put hydrants in different locations so I can open up some additional areas for goats and maybe a couple cows

 

[IXLR8]

My check valve is 195 feet down the well on the top of my pump. The csv is 4 feet from the top of that line, below the pitless adapter. The line from wellhead to house is almost 300 feet. Just before the line enters the house there is a t and 50 foot line to a yard hydrant. And about 80 feet from the wellhead there is a T and 150 foot line to a hydrant. I intend to put a T in that line and run 300 feet to barn, then t off that and cascade another thousand or so feet from there to put hydrants in different locations so I can open up some additional areas for goats and maybe a couple cows

Maybe I missed it, which CSV do you have installed?

 

[Carl_NH]

David, so you will have all that pipe which is controlled by a pressure switch in the house which creates a large storage capacity (think of the pipe as a part of your storage capacity) in the pipe and allowing the water to flow both ways from the outside pipe into the house.
Then potential line pressure loss for a few hundred feet is not too bad, but for 800-1000 feet the pressure loss may be substantial.

We have about 500' of 1" main line irrigation, and a backflow preventer valve in the house, and the pressure is about 15 PSI lower at the furthest point. But in your case, your house may be the highest point and if you have 100' of elevation change to the lowest point from the house the pressure will increase for example.

Normally "external or outside water" if its fed from the house supply has a back flow preventer and this prevents the external water from flowing back into the house but allows the pressure in the house to feed the external lines. The whole system is pressurized from the house, but can't flow back in - so when there is demand externally the pressure drops and the pump turns on.

For what you are doing and planning with a large network of piping, I think you might get your well guy or someone experienced in the area running water lines on farms or irrigation. Trust me, leaks happen, and things break, and you need to be able to isolate the different zones and so on..

Do the storage tank now, but get some pro advise for your situation before extending your water network.

 

[ponytug]

David, so you will have all that pipe which is controlled by a pressure switch in the house which creates a large storage capacity (think of the pipe as a part of your storage capacity) in the pipe and allowing the water to flow both ways from the outside pipe into the house.
Then potential line pressure loss for a few hundred feet is not too bad, but for 800-1000 feet the pressure loss may be substantial.

We have about 500' of 1" main line irrigation, and a backflow preventer valve in the house, and the pressure is about 15 PSI lower at the furthest point. But in your case, your house may be the highest point and if you have 100' of elevation change to the lowest point from the house the pressure will increase for example.

Normally "external or outside water" if its fed from the house supply has a back flow preventer and this prevents the external water from flowing back into the house but allows the pressure in the house to feed the external lines. The whole system is pressurized from the house, but can't flow back in - so when there is demand externally the pressure drops and the pump turns on.

For what you are doing and planning with a large network of piping, I think you might get your well guy or someone experienced in the area running water lines on farms or irrigation. Trust me, leaks happen, and things break, and you need to be able to isolate the different zones and so on..

Do the storage tank now, but get some pro advise for your situation before extending your water network.

Great points and I would think about continuous poly pipe for the long runs. Lower flow resistance, and fewer joints to fail.

Personally, I prefer segregated home / animal / ranch systems. That's partly for isolation reasons, and partly not to hear the house pump coming on at a random time because animals are drinking.

All the best,

Peter

 

[Carl_NH]

David, I see a pump house near your well as the best long term solution, with one or two proper large storage pump tanks, then segregate your external and internal water lines.

"About 80 feet from the wellhead there is a T and 150 foot line to a hydrant. I intend to put a T in that line and run 300 feet to barn, then t off that and cascade another thousand feet" This is where you could do the pump house with tanks and controls.

Yes this means digging up your water line, and adding an insulated structure to house tanks, switch and controls. That's why i suggest getting a local "pro" to advise to do it once and get it right.

 

[WoodChuckDad]

Maybe I missed it, which CSV do you have installed?

I have a csv 125. The plastic one. The kit I bought was

1x PK125 PSIDE-KICK Pressure Tank Kit - 4.5 gallon / 60 psi / CSV125-1n

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

At my Mom's place 15 miles away it's very rocky soil. There are two 1" black plastic lines going 1/4 mile from meters to each house installed 30 years ago. Starting 10 years ago those lines started having leaks. A plumber said that's because over time water going through creates enough movement to wear the pipe. He said the solution is it should have been a larger pipe with 1" pipe inside. Worse case as he said the 1" could be pulled through the larger pipe.
Instead of all that I had him connect her back onto the well that was put in 80+ years ago, only 40ft deep but works fine, of course new pump, tank, switch, etc.
When I supplied horse stable with water a few years ago I ran two 2" pipes, one for electric, other 1" plastic water pipe.

 

[steve tym]

The remote pump house is a great idea, but seems kinda extreme.
Joints are definately a point of failure. 90's and couplings underground should be avoided. Use only SS or brass fittings, not plastic or steel.
All the lines coming to a central point, into the house or pump house gives you the most control, you'll be able to valves individual lines.
Check valves are a wear item, don't bury them.
I don't think I've ever seen poly pipe wear out water flow.
Rocks are not your friend.
Poly pipe is pretty readily available in 300' coils, 500'ers a little harder to find, and I've custom ordered 1,500'ers before.

 

[Valveman]

I have a csv 125. The plastic one. The kit I bought was

1x PK125 PSIDE-KICK Pressure Tank Kit - 4.5 gallon / 60 psi / CSV125-1n

Sorry you are having problems. If the CSV is not keeping the pump from cycling when using less than 2 GPM, we will gladly replace it. But if you have a lot of usages of less than 2 GPM, a 20 gallon size tank that holds 5 gallons of water will help. Water Worker is an Amtrol tank. Flexcon is a copy of an Amtrol, which they copy everybody's stuff, including my in well tank design. Don't care for a company who just copies and undercuts instead of innovating something for themselves. Any diaphragm tank will last much longer when used with a Cycle Stop Valve as the CSV keeps the diaphragm from going up and down so much. The Cycle Stop Valves is also long lasting and dependable. But the CSV is the key to the entire system, so when it isn't working properly, anything else you try is just futile.