Just can't get a good basic truck, like the old days!

[paulsharvey]

For the cab and chassis side of things; a "medium" duty, cab and chassis, for $67,400. Nope, thats not cheap, but there are Ford Rangers going for the same price.

 

[paulsharvey]

North Carolina, here's a new, 2024, CV 4x4, dump body, for $89k. This specific one is GVW of 23k. I believe you can configure them up to a GVW of 33k.

Although, strictly as a dump truck; its got a high curb weight, a low GVWR, and a pretty limited payload; of about 3 tons

Edit: it doesn't look like it can be configured for GVWR over 26k, so i was mistaken on that

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[Jstpssng]

I find it ironic (Enviro today.... allegedly), as AFAIK, most of the plants/animals where road-brine is used are not Salt Water versions....

I think it started in the cities (like many things)..... if you put down Sand (works well, much of the time), then it can shorten the cleanout-cycle for storm-drains. So, flood the road with brine instead.... just washes away later, as does your vehicle-body/frame......

Rgds, D.

The difference is that with brine, two days after a storm people can go back to driving like it’s sunny and 70.
Sanding still leaves the ice until spring.

 

[paulsharvey]

Here is a chart i had AI make, showing 1975-2025, and Household income vs average 1 Ton base model truck sale price. Things seem to track around 50% of annual household income buys a 1 ton, until the year 2000, and shoots up pretty fast to currently, nearly 5/6th of the average household income for a new 1 ton.

 

[RB5]

Here is a chart i had AI make, showing 1975-2025, and Household income vs average 1 Ton base model truck sale price. Things seem to track around 50% of annual household income buys a 1 ton, until the year 2000, and shoots up pretty fast to currently, nearly 5/6th of the average household income for a new 1 ton.View attachment 4071771

Mid 2000s is about then they all started adding more and more tech and sensors to the trucks. After that the EPA under Obama started adding more and more restrictions. That confirms what we have all been talking about. It is stupid to add $10k or more to the price to get one or two more mpg. Government regulations are killing the middle income families. I get it that some people like having a loaded out truck, but not everyone does.

 

[Oaktree]

The difference is that with brine, two days after a storm people can go back to driving like it’s sunny and 70.
Sanding still leaves the ice until spring.

And all that sand's gotta be cleaned up in the spring. Road dept in my town just uses a rotary broom to sweep it off to the side...into everyone's yard. Bad enough cleaning up what got plowed there.
The section of road my property's on gets zero sun 6 months out of the year, so no solar melting at all. On the plus side, the town uses very little road salt, just sand.

 

[Hay Dude]

For the cab and chassis side of things; a "medium" duty, cab and chassis, for $67,400. Nope, thats not cheap, but there are Ford Rangers going for the same price.View attachment 4067361View attachment 4067362

Not everyone can own/operate a truck like that, but everyone can own/operate a Ford Ranger. That’s why the price is so comparably high.

Mid 2000s is about then they all started adding more and more tech and sensors to the trucks. After that the EPA under Obama started adding more and more restrictions. That confirms what we have all been talking about. It is stupid to add $10k or more to the price to get one or two more mpg. Government regulations are killing the middle income families. I get it that some people like having a loaded out truck, but not everyone does.

You are so correct my friend. Making trucks with the DPF/DEF system was a failure. (And don’t gorget cooled EGR from 2004.5)
It added a $10,000 layer of expense to the purchase price and added my cost to operate with DEF fluids and reduced reliability/more repairs.
#Nanny State.

 

[paulsharvey]

Not everyone can own/operate a truck like that, but everyone can own/operate a Ford Ranger. That’s why the price is so comparably high.


You are so correct my friend. Making trucks with the DPF/DEF system was a failure. (And don’t gorget cooled EGR from 2004.5)
It added a $10,000 layer of expense to the purchase price and added my cost to operate with DEF fluids and reduced reliability/more repairs.
#Nanny State.

Im not arguing that, but I do have a question. Yall remember Class-D driver's license; I think from 9,999 to 25,999. When I was younger, you needed a D in Florida for a lot of the non-CDL box trucks, service vans, the International CV, Ford 550, ect. So, the stupid question part, do Class E licenses, in All states cover upto 25,999, or does that vary by state?

Guess when I read the statement, my first thought was; yeah, of coarse everyone can drive that, its 23,000. Then, I realized that you weren't meaning gov regs, it might be space, maneuverability, parking, and operator skill...

 

[paulsharvey]

Heck, im assuming a basic passenger vehicle license is a Class E everywhere, and maybe thats not the case?

 

[Eagle1]

Heck, im assuming a basic passenger vehicle license is a Class E everywhere, and maybe thats not the case?

Not the same everywhere.

Missouri driver's license classes include Class F (the standard license for most vehicles), various Commercial Driver's Licenses (CDLs) (A, B, and C for specific heavy and hazardous material vehicles), a Class E for certain passenger or for-hire vehicles, and a Class M (or M endorsement) for motorcycles. The Class F license, often the one people refer to as a regular driver's license, allows the holder to operate most motor vehicles but not motorcycles or vehicles that require a CDL or Class E license