10K Deck over tilt or with ramps

[Fallon]

83" is the widest you can get on a tilting deck between the fenders & be legal. I ended up going for a deckover power tilt to avoid fenders. 10something inches wide. Its nicer for loading any thing put a tractor on (over the sides). But the deck is a fair bit steeper for loading a tractor or vehicle on due to approach & departure angles.

It has a pair of 7k axles & pretty heavy construction. It weighs in at 4k lbs. My 40hp L4060 weighs in at a little over 5klbs with loader & loaded tires. I could only barely haul it on 10k trailer. That doesnt even factor in 1-2k of impliments I usually have. A 60-80 hp machine is going to be noticably heavier & might not even fit safely on a 14k trailer.

 

[Fallon]

83" is the widest you can get on a tilting deck between the fenders & be legal. I ended up going for a deckover power tilt to avoid fenders. 10something inches wide. Its nicer for loading any thing put a tractor on (over the sides). But the deck is a fair bit steeper for loading a tractor or vehicle on due to approach & departure angles.

It has a pair of 7k axles & pretty heavy construction. It weighs in at 4k lbs. My 40hp L4060 weighs in at a little over 5klbs with loader & loaded tires. I could only barely haul it on 10k trailer. That doesnt even factor in 1-2k of impliments I usually have. A 60-80 hp machine is going to be noticably heavier & might not even fit safely on a 14k trailer.

Oh & my trailer is a 22' Diamond C.

 

[sd455dan]

Sorry guys let me try to narrow the comments before they go to far off what I'm asking

Don't want a goose neck nor need to no why a given weight trailer will or will not work for a given load. Would appreicate comments about pintle or ball hitch trailers with and with out tilt and standard or deck tilt

I haul my tractor that is right about 8k as hauled on a tilt 10k (load) 5th wheel trailer but as was posted by another member 83 inches is about max for your wheel width before switching to either a full deck over or quasi deck over tilt.
Thinking Fallon is right recommending ramps and a full deck over for your 102 inch width requirement.

 

[TMGT]

I haul my tractor that is right about 8k as hauled on a tilt 10k (load) 5th wheel trailer but as was posted by another member 83 inches is about max for your wheel width before switching to either a full deck over or quasi deck over tilt.
Thinking Fallon is right recommending ramps and a full deck over for your 102 inch width requirement.

I read it as the tractor would still fit between a max width (102in outside to outside) fendered trailer, as in 82-84in cargo width.

I wouldn't feel as confident with 8k on a 10k tag trailer as I would with a GN.

Either way if its tight a nice to have the extra room of the deck over.

 

[4570Man]

I want a tilt trailer for hauling my lawnmower which gets unloaded a dozen times a day. For hauling a few times a year I wouldn’t pay the extra money or deal with the heavier trailer for the tilt function. I’d also way rather pull 10k with a GN behind a 2500 truck vs a bumper hitch.

 

[TMGT]

I want a tilt trailer for hauling my lawnmower which gets unloaded a dozen times a day. For hauling a few times a year I wouldn’t pay the extra money or deal with the heavier trailer for the tilt function. I’d also way rather pull 10k with a GN behind a 2500 truck vs a bumper hitch.

I dont think he said how often its use was but there's other reasons to get a tilt deck.

I'm kinda in the same boat as the OP, have too many trailers and want one that will do more.
I like the lower cost/ simplicity of a trailer with ramps and honestly want a 20ft 14k deck over, however I also have a tendency to haul other equipment that doesn't roll and the ability to winch this stuff up on a tilt trailer is worth the added cost/weight.

Problem is if i get a deck over tilt my load angle gets too steep, but I'll be fighting the fenders on a lowboy tilt.

Wish I could justify a rollback again, I'm still thinking of building a rollback trailer, they are just kinda heavy.

To the OP, honestly I would just get a deck over with flip up ramps unless you physically aren't able to handle the ramps or you can't load the equipment you need to easily/ they interfere with the load.
I have a 2500 Dodge that I pull 14k plus with a tag trailer no problems, can't run a GN with my current setup. No need for GN at those loads.

 

[4570Man]

The ramp angle of my mega ramp Big Tex is pretty mild. It’s better than most deck overs. If I was looking for an improvement I’d go for hydraulic up/down ramps and probably still be cheaper than a tilt trailer. A 2500 with a GN trailer is hook up the trailer, load the tractor and go. Pulling it on a bumper pull you will probably need a weight distribution hitch and have the trailer tongue weight right within a pretty slim margin.

 

[TMGT]

The ramp angle of my mega ramp Big Tex is pretty mild. It’s better than most deck overs. If I was looking for an improvement I’d go for hydraulic up/down ramps and probably still be cheaper than a tilt trailer. A 2500 with a GN trailer is hook up the trailer, load the tractor and go. Pulling it on a bumper pull you will probably need a weight distribution hitch and have the trailer tongue weight right within a pretty slim margin.

I've noticed the ramp angle on a lot of the newer trailers is pretty decent, still doesn't address the problem of getting certain equipment on and off compared to a tilt though.

I have to disagree on the GN thing, I pull a 16ft deck over dump, not the most consistant and easiest to get the tongue weight perfect. Never had an issue so far and all I have is airbag helpers on the rear of the truck. It's an '07 crew cab short bed CTD.
I run a cap on my bed so GN are out of the question unless I want to go through a lot of hassle.

14k on a tag trailer isn't a problem for most 2500 trucks now, optimal no, but not a big deal.

 

[RandyT]

The ramp angle of my mega ramp Big Tex is pretty mild. It’s better than most deck overs. If I was looking for an improvement I’d go for hydraulic up/down ramps and probably still be cheaper than a tilt trailer. A 2500 with a GN trailer is hook up the trailer, load the tractor and go. Pulling it on a bumper pull you will probably need a weight distribution hitch and have the trailer tongue weight right within a pretty slim margin.

I would say he would need weight distribution to be within towing safety specs for his vehicle. most 1500-2500 class vehicle require weight distribution at 500-5000 or 600-6000 depending on vehicle and hitch. Then there is the narrow hitch weight window that can be easily over or under the required. 10% on a 10,000 pound trailer is 1000 but at 13% can be considered exceeding the maximum tongue weight of the hitch in the max tongue weight of the hitch is 1200-1250 like my 08 F250.

 

[kthompson]

I use both pintle and 2 5/16 on a Ford 250. For me the pintle is easier to hook by myself and I find it easier to know it is locked for you can see the locking part totally and not hidden and just because the lever moves to the locked position does not mean the locking lip did lock. Had that to happen but caught it before moving the trailer. Released did not hear it lock which amazed me.

I loaded a JD on my 10,000 trailer with ramps this past Saturday for about a 5 mile trip on rural roads. Had a field cultivator on it. No way could I haul it. Had to over load the pickup to even begin to get ramps up. I knew my tractor and implement would be pushing my trailer and did not have to haul but wanted to see if even possible. Ending up driving tractor those 5 miles which was only safe thing to do.

Understand you do not want a GN and I do not have one either but that is only setup that will work for my tractor with an implement and have used one a few times and much better tow to me. One thing about a deck over, if you will be side loading such as implements is the height an issue and with deck between the tires will the tires and fenders be an issue for side loading again if you will be doing such. It has been years since I have used a tilt deck and the ones have used did not like it at all. Now it operated totally off of weight transfer which meant a certain point it would tilt with little control. Not aware any of my friends use a tilt deck, all use ramps but we really do little moving heavy equipment.