10K Deck over tilt or with ramps

[Morning Wood]

OK, why

For all the reasons everyone else has mentioned. Total trailer weight, tongue weight etc. you will need a weight distributing setup with a tractor that heavy regardless. It’s my experience that once you begin carrying additional implements with your tractor you lose all options of moving the tractor around on the trailer to dial in tongue weight. At that point you need to have a tongue weight scale to figure out how to load your implements around the tractor to get everything dialed in.

 

[ovrszd]

Where did the OP suggest he was planning to haul an 8K tractor on a 10K trailer?

Post#1, paragraph #1.

 

[fried1765]

For all the reasons everyone else has mentioned. Total trailer weight, tongue weight etc. you will need a weight distributing setup with a tractor that heavy regardless. It’s my experience that once you begin carrying additional implements with your tractor you lose all options of moving the tractor around on the trailer to dial in tongue weight. At that point you need to have a tongue weight scale to figure out how to load your implements around the tractor to get everything dialed in.

A tongue weight scale is certainly a good idea, but who is actually going to buy one?
The tongue weight can actually be measured with a standard bathroom scale. (Go to e-trailer website - check out how to do it).
Measuring the tongue weight is a slightly awkward process, but if you always load your trailer in a similar manner, tongue weight does not need to be measured every time.

 

[AllDodge]

Thanks for the info guys. Still don't know which tractor I'm getting because I'm looking for used to stay away from regen and this is the reason for the wide range. My car trailer is just bare minimum for most times I use it, but if I get rid of it I don't really want a 4K trailer to haul around for everything. Don't want a GN because I have a lid on the truck.

Guess I'll be getting one with ramps and decide later if it will be deck over. Maybe forget about using it to haul the tractor and just use the dump and 10 ton tag

 

[ovrszd]

I often use my GN 20K trailer to haul light loads. Seems kinda silly at the time. But sure like it when hauling my 12K tractor. No way to have the perfect trailer for everything.

Let us know what you choose.

 

[ddbackhoe]

Have to many trailers and need more then my car trailer. Going to buy a tractor (60 to 80 hp) which will be in the 6K to 8K load range. May get some other attachments, but for right now, just trying to figure issues with two different type trailers. Plan to use a 2 5/16 or pintle but like 2 5/16 better due to less wobble/noise.

The tractor will fit between a 102 inch width trailer with fenders but a tilt trailer could make things easier in one area, but may have issues in another. What issues have been found with these different types?

I do have a 10 Ton pintle hitch trailer, but it is real heavy and would need to haul using the dump truck with a large load. I want to haul using the 2500 pickup

I prefer a deck over tilt, no fenders when loading pallets, tanks, odd shaped stuff. Mine is a hydraulic tilt with wireless remote, so I can adjust angle on demand. A 60-80 hp tractor can load on most dovetail trailers without using ramps. I prefer a pintle for ease of attaching but a back up camera and 2 5/16 ball are pretty easy too.

Of course, a roll-off trailer would be way cool. Load tractor on platform, winch platform onto trailer. switchable with dumpbox, cargo box, whatever.....but that all gets pricey quick and storage is a problem. Most of the time quicker, easier and cheaper to call in a hauler.

 

[TMGT]

Thanks for the info guys. Still don't know which tractor I'm getting because I'm looking for used to stay away from regen and this is the reason for the wide range. My car trailer is just bare minimum for most times I use it, but if I get rid of it I don't really want a 4K trailer to haul around for everything. Don't want a GN because I have a lid on the truck.

Guess I'll be getting one with ramps and decide later if it will be deck over. Maybe forget about using it to haul the tractor and just use the dump and 10 ton tag

Sounds like we are kinda in the same spot although I dont have a truck that can really utilize my 10t trailer anymore

My normal trailer is a 18ft 7K trailer, good trailer but I'm regularly at its limits of size and capacity. My goal is to replace the 24ft 10t and 18ft 7K trailers with a 14-16K 20-22ft trailer.

I've been looking at trailers most of this year and found that a decent built 10K and a 14K were so close in weight it was worth it for the extra capacity. Typically I added more weight to the trailer by going from 16in to 12in OC cross members then I did going from a 10k to a 14k.

There are a lot of pros and cons on the deck over: taller deck height, more weight, manuverability can be a little more difficult.

Pros are you're not limited by equipment width, no fenders to fight with, easier the down points with a full rub rail.

I honestly still haven't decided to get, however if i take the tilt deck out of the equation then I'd get a deckover.

 

[AllDodge]

BigTex (I'm sure also others) have drive over fenders an can get them in 10 and 14K GVWR an lengths 18 to 22 feet

 

[TMGT]

BigTex (I'm sure also others) have drive over fenders an can get them in 10 and 14K GVWR an lengths 18 to 22 feet

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They might fit your needs, I wrote them off for me as the fenders still interfere with side loading. They seem to be popular with wide vehicles like rock crawlers where they need the extra width but dont want a deck over. I'd rather have a full deck over for my needs personally or go with a regular low bed tilt.

 

[Morning Wood]

A tongue weight scale is certainly a good idea, but who is actually going to buy one?
The tongue weight can actually be measured with a standard bathroom scale. (Go to e-trailer website - check out how to do it).
Measuring the tongue weight is a slightly awkward process, but if you always load your trailer in a similar manner, tongue weight does not need to be measured every time.

It’s not awkward with a tongue weight scale and they cost under $200. I have one and I can dial in my weight perfect. No screwing around with bathroom scales.

 

[4570Man]

It’s not awkward with a tongue weight scale and they cost under $200. I have one and I can dial in my weight perfect. No screwing around with bathroom scales.

I’d like to see the average joe come up with an accurate weight doing that method. It’s stupid and a recipe for disaster IMO. It is possible to do right but go look at another thread on here if you think people are even remotely smart enough to do that. Heck I know adults that can’t figure the area of a rectangle. At least go to a real scale if you want to cut your loading that close. Even if you are capable of doing the bathroom scale method you are still assuming the scale is accurate which it probably isn’t and you’re using the jack weight which is more than the hitch weight.

 

[TMGT]

I would just invest in a Weigh Safe hitch if I was in the market for a new hitch, just wish they had a higher load rating on the 2.5" shank

 

[Morning Wood]

This is what I have and will use if needed. Keep in mind the scale is hydraulic so reads most accurate around 50% capacity. I have a few different gauges depending on load. But only really bust it out if the load on the trailer is over 7k lbs. I’ve never tried the bathroom scale because it looks like a pain in the ***

https://www.amazon.com/Sherline-LM-...+tongue+weight+scale&psc=1&smid=A7O51HGOUZ91S


Anything heavy enough to measure the tongue weight is probably going to require a weight distributing setup anyway, so the weigh safe hitch might not be the best bet.

 

[XSKIER]

I know that I am in the minority, but I don't care to deal with a gooseneck trailer. At least at this point in my life anyway. If I retire, move out to an 80 acre ranch in a very rural area, and have unlimited time and space to deal with the gooseneck, there may be a chance I'd look for another. I did own one for about 4 months, then replaced it with a bumper pull. For me the gooseneck has far more drawbacks than any perceived niceness while driving straight down the road. The deck over is the only way to go because of the unlimited cargo loading options. For me, a 22' 14k PJ hydraulic tilt is the most versatile.

 

[4570Man]

So what is the downsides of a GN other than the fact they trail a little wider?

 

[ddbackhoe]

So what is the downsides of a GN other than the fact they trail a little wider?

Pain in the *** to hook up with a p/u bed, you have to crawl under/in/around.

 

[Morning Wood]

So what is the downsides of a GN other than the fact they trail a little wider?

Towing. No downside

Convenience focusing on use of truck. Inconvenient. If towing was an integral part of my business I’d probably run a gooseneck. But I need a rack on my truck and the use of the bed more than I need a gooseneck.

 

[ovrszd]

Pain in the *** to hook up with a p/u bed, you have to crawl under/in/around.

My Son taught me a great trick. Don't jack up the trailer enough to completely clear the ball. So when you rehook you align yourself with the trailer and back until you feel the hitch jump over the ball and stop. Piece of cake.

 

[XSKIER]

Gooseneck downsides.

The pick I posted is with a dealer owned loaner 1500, no gooseneck hitch.

Can't be used unless there is a similarly equipped 2500 nearby. I live just outside of flint assembly, so you'd think it would be easy to find one when I'd like to haul some cargo? Nope.

Can't really carry any cargo in the bed while towing unless it is very secure in the front two feet of bed, the most inaccessible.

It's a pain to hookup just to move around the lot, and I have a camera on the center high mount brake light.

Can't easily move a GN with a CUT three point, too heavy and near zero visibility backing up.

I don't care for all of the extra area that is required to back into a tight spot. The front end of a crew cab 2500 takes a lot of swinging around to get the GN trailer where you want it. The pivot point being five feet in front of a hitch ball requires a lot more moving around of the front end to get the trailer where it needs to go. So what if you can jack knife it when it requires more room to straighten it back out?

 

[sd455dan]

Pain in the *** to hook up with a p/u bed, you have to crawl under/in/around.

But a 5th wheel is much easier.

If your having a good day no need to exit the truck to actually Hitch the truck trailer up
except to hook up wiring, lock the latch and lift the jack.

Yeah I know- it eats the center of the bed when not hauling a trailer- unless you remove that Big Heavy and Greasy HD 5ver mount...

Great Now i got grease all over my new khakis - and I was having such a good day:laughing: