12 miles on the road?

   / 12 miles on the road? #41  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Thoughts? )</font>

Bob, no one; not even Supreme Court Justices, know all the laws and regulations. Lawyers learn to research the law; both statutory and precedents. Law enforcement officers learn the laws that they enforce, and I'll bet very very few police officers are familiar with laws relating to agricultural equipment. Unfortunately, there are some officers (I hope a minority) who don't want to admit they don't know, so they'll tell you what they think the law is. And of course, in addition to the actual law, some things depend on the particular law enforcement agency or department's enforcement policies. There's no way they can enforce all the laws all the time, so some things are intentionally overlooked or not enforced. I would be very surprised in my part of the country if an officer stopped a tractor for anything unless he had reason to believe the driver was impaired or intoxicated.
 
   / 12 miles on the road? #42  
Yeah, Bird.. I guess it *has* to come down to common sense in the end. But I suppose that if everyone exercised this unusual quality of "common sense" then there would be little need for laws or law enforecment.

I realized a long time ago that, not only didn't I know much of the law, but unless I devoted my life to the study of law, I had little in the way of resources to find out what the law says. What I've done lately is just, if I happen to bump into a LEO at some store, I'll say "You got time for a question?" Usually the reply is a smile and "Come on out to my office." (his patrol car) and we just chat.

My last question, to three LEOs, was What does the actual law say about the "open container" thing? I told them that a guy who kept getting bottles of booze for Christmas, and who didn't drink, had offered me a box full of half empty bottles of booze, but I wasn't sure it was legal to put them in the car and drive home with them. They laughed and said that's fine.. as long as you aren't taking a swig out of one of them when you go past a patrol car! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I consider myself an average, law-abiding, citizen. I try to obey the laws, when I know what they are, and try to simply exercise common sense in those situations where I don't know. But I'm always aware that if something were to happen, say there was an accident involving my tractor being on the road, or one in which I had this box of opened containers in my car, would the other guy's lawyers descend on me like vultures? "Ignorance of the law is no excuse.", as we're always told. But at the same time we all recognize, as you pointed out, that *nobody* knows all the laws.

So we're in a "Catch-22" situation. Nobody can know all the laws, but ignorance of them is NOT an excuse.

Making a complex society work is not an easy job, is it? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Thanks for your insights, as always!
 
   / 12 miles on the road? #43  
I'll bet you've got a dozen neighbors who would be glad to haul it for free on their trailer just cause thats what neighbors do. All you need to do is ask. You might get to go to their house in a year or two and push a pile of gravel out for them as repayment /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif .
 
   / 12 miles on the road? #45  
<font color="blue"> Isn't "12 miles on the road" a Johnny Cash song?? </font>
I thought about that when it was first posted. Then decided that I wasn't sure if it was of not. Now that you bring it up, it may be. To old and to many thinks to remember. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / 12 miles on the road? #46  
Bob, I would think you could probably look up most laws on the Internet. For instance, the "open container" law is section 49.031 of the Texas Penal Code, which reads as follows:

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( § 49.031. POSSESSION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE IN MOTOR
VEHICLE. (a) In this section:
(1) "Open[0] container[0]" means a bottle, can, or other
receptacle that contains any amount of alcoholic beverage and that
is open, that has been opened, that has a broken seal, or the
contents of which are partially removed.
(2) "Passenger area of a motor vehicle" means the area
of a motor vehicle designed for the seating of the operator and
passengers of the vehicle. The term does not include:
(A) a glove compartment or similar storage
container that is locked;
(B) the trunk of a vehicle; or
(C) the area behind the last upright seat of the
vehicle, if the vehicle does not have a trunk.
(3) "Public highway" means the entire width between
and immediately adjacent to the boundary lines of any public road,
street, highway, interstate, or other publicly maintained way if
any part is open for public use for the purpose of motor vehicle
travel. The term includes the right-of-way of a public highway.
(b) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly
possesses an open[0] container[0] in a passenger area of a motor vehicle
that is located on a public highway, regardless of whether the
vehicle is being operated or is stopped or parked. Possession by a
person of one or more open[0] containers[0] in a single criminal episode
is a single offense.
(c) It is an exception to the application of Subsection (b)
that at the time of the offense the defendant was a passenger in:
(1) the passenger area of a motor vehicle designed,
maintained, or used primarily for the transportation of persons for
compensation, including a bus, taxicab, or limousine; or
(2) the living quarters of a motorized house coach or
motorized house trailer, including a self-contained camper, a motor
home, or a recreational vehicle.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor.
(e) A peace officer charging a person with an offense under
this section, instead of taking the person before a magistrate,
shall issue to the person a written citation and notice to appear
that contains the time and place the person must appear before a
magistrate, the name and address of the person charged, and the
offense charged. If the person makes a written promise to appear
before the magistrate by signing in duplicate the citation and
notice to appear issued by the officer, the officer shall release
the person.

Added by Acts 2001, 77th Leg., ch. 969, § 2, eff. Sept. 1, 2001.
)</font>

Now of course, it's undoubtedly a little different in other states. I know that in some states, you go to jail or have to post bond, while in Texas the officer has to issue a citation and release you unless you are intoxicated or refuse to sign the citation.

I mentioned enforcement policies before. One example: Texas law says if you refuse to sign a citation (agreement to appear) the officer is to take you before a magistrate or to jail to post bond, but in Dallas we had a policy requiring officers to simply write "Refused" where the person's signature would have been, issue the citation and let'em go.

And then you have to consider court interpretations. One example: For over a hundred years, until January 1974, the Texas statute prohibiting the carrying of certain weapons, including pistols "on or about his person, saddlebags, or portfolio" included an exception if the person was "traveling". How far do you have to go or how long do you have to be gone to be "traveling"? /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Some early cases decided if you went out of your home county, you were traveling, while some later cases decided you had to be gone from home overnight to be traveling. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

So you can understand that you can't take as fact even what an attorney tells you, since some other attorney and/or judge may decide differently. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I guess if the lawyers and/or law enforcement personnel were always right, we wouldn't need trials, would we? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I can tell you that you'll find a lot of interesting, and sometimes hilarious, reading if you visit a law library and read some of the cases that have been decided by the highest courts in your state. Prior to January 1974, in Texas, it was a felony for a man to seduce a woman under the age of 25 by promise of marriage, and then to renege on that promise, but if after prosecution began, he agreed to marry her, that stopped the prosecution, but prosecution could resume if the marriage was ended within 2 years through no fault of hers. Now I suspected there had never been anyone convicted under that statute, but I was wrong. I found quite a number of sometimes hilarious cases in a law library; some in which the guy lost and some in which he won. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
   / 12 miles on the road? #47  
Bird:

Read my post and then Jerry's post (right above yours) and then reply. You must know. We are too old to remember. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / 12 miles on the road? #48  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blue"> Isn't "12 miles on the road" a Johnny Cash song?? </font>
I thought about that when it was first posted. Then decided that I wasn't sure if it was of not. Now that you bring it up, it may be. To old and to many thinks to remember. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )</font>
No it was 6 days on the road.
It was not by Johnny Cash.
I have the 6 days on the road album by the original artist.
 
   / 12 miles on the road? #49  
Ok. Are you going to tell us who it was?
 
   / 12 miles on the road? #50  
<font color="blue"> No it was 6 days on the road.
It was not by Johnny Cash.
I have the 6 days on the road album by the original artist.</font>

Since Larry doesn't remember who ORIGINALLY did the song, I'll jump in and help--

Six Days on the Road was originally done by Dave Dudley in 1963.
He also did Give Me 40 Acres and I'll Turn this Rig Around and several other "truck driving" songs.
Sawyer Brown remade Six Days on the Road in the late 1990's.

Dave Dudley and Sawyer Brown are the two most popular versions...
HOWEVER, Johnny Cash DID do the song, in 1970, on the album "The Johnny Cash Show".
So Larry is half right and Flip wins the prize for remembering the Johnny Cash version! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif


12 miles on the road would make a good song about driving from one farm to another on a tractor... I just have to figure out the melody! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / 12 miles on the road? #51  
<font color="blue"> Sawyer Brown </font>
That is the version that I remember (Now). /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
   / 12 miles on the road? #52  
Roger Miller

do do do do do do (typing it doesn't make it sound right)

King of the Road..............
Dang me, dang me, ought to take a rope and hang me.

Glad I'm over that.
 
   / 12 miles on the road? #53  
Are you fellows thinking of "six days on the road and I'm agoing home tonight"

Egon
 
   / 12 miles on the road? #54  
I've got the original (by Dave Dudley) and a version by George Thoroughgood (heavy and bluesy). I've never heard the Sawyer Brown version.

<font color="red"> Well I pulled out of Pittsburgh rollin' down the eastern seaboard
I've got my diesel wound up and she's runnin' like a never before
There's a speed zone ahead but all right, I don't see a cop in sight
Six days on the road and I'm a gonna make it home tonight

I got ten forward gears and a Georgia overdrive
I'm passin' little white lines and my eyes are open wide
Just passed a Jimmy and a White, I've been passin' everything in sight
Six days on the road and I'm a gonna make it home tonight

Well it seems like a month since I kissed my baby goodbye
I could have a lot of women but I'm not like some of the guys
I could find one to hold me tight
But I could never make believe it's right
Six days on the road and I'm a gonna make it home tonight

Well the ICC is a checkin' on down the line
I'm a little overweight and my log books are way behind
But nothin' bothers me tonight, I can dodge the scales all right
Six days on the road and I'm a gonna make it home tonight

My rig's a little old but that don't mean she's slow
There's a flame from her stack and the smoke's rollin' black as coal
My home town's comin' in sight, if you think I'm happy you're right
Six days on the road and I'm a gonna make it home tonight

Six days on the road and I'm a gonna make it home tonight

Six days on the road and I'm a gonna make it home tonight!
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The original version..."I'm takin' little white pills n' my eyes are open wide..." refering to the benezidrine truckers were notorious for using for long distance driving back then.

Dave Dudley's version is way cool...catch it if you can!
 
   / 12 miles on the road? #55  
You did not say if your 50 service was to be free from the dealer, like is sometimes the case when the deal is made. If not, you are going to have to pay for the service and the fluids, etc. In that case, I would check out some tractor mechanics in the area and see what they would charge you for the service, coming to your locatiion, if you provide filters, fluids, etc. You would also learn about how they go about the routine things so you could do them next time. That is what I am going to do for the next service on my tractor as I live in mountains and the trip is about 35 miles away. I have located a guy who works on tractors, rebuilds them and so on and is highly recommended.
 
   / 12 miles on the road? #56  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="red">I'm passin' little white lines and my eyes are open wide</font>)</font>

I had this on vinyl about a thousand years ago (sad to say long gone) but I thought this line was:

"I'm takin' little white pills to keep my eyes open wide"

Could someone confirm or deny this for sure?
 
   / 12 miles on the road? #57  
Jerry:

Dave Dudley was the first recorded artist. It was the father of truck driving songs. Amy looked it up.

Sawyer Brown didi it later and is best known for the rendition. Wonder if LBrown is a distant relation of SBrown?? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / 12 miles on the road? #58  
Bird and All,

I asked a friend who works for DMV in NY, what his thoughts were on this whole issue of getting correct information.. and here are some of his thoughts... just fyi... you might find an insider's position interesting.

--quote--

As far as the tractor question goes, the people that answer the publics questions at the DMV call center are just grade 6 clerks. They have varying degrees of familiarity with the law. They are trained in the FAQ's but the infrequent questions sometimes net incorrect answers. There is a book of Vehicle and Traffic laws that is issued every year. Unfortunately it's not in a database as it should be for quick access. It's also not easy to find anything in it.

I was told that to register an old trailer, I had to take it and have it weighed. I pointed out that I didn't have a plate. I was told that I could drive it to and from a weigh station without one. I looked it up and it turned out that the advise was correct but when I do it I'll take a copy of the law with me in case I get stopped. Who knows how many cops are familiar with that little loophole.

As far as the Vehicle and Traffic law goes. I don't know if DMV makes them available to the public. It's not that the
laws are secret, but I imagine it would be expensive to give them out for the asking. The call center at DMV is 1 800 CALL DMV.

--end quote--
 
   / 12 miles on the road? #59  
Bob, I have no doubt that he told you correctly, and it's probably about the same situation in other states. And laws are constantly changing; a fact that cost me money a few years ago. In the Fall of '91, I bought a new motorhome in Las Vegas, but instead of letting the dealer register it, I got the MSO (manufacturers statement of origin - for anyone not familiar with the term), and come on to Texas to register it and pay the sales tax here. In past years, the state had gone by the weight on the MSO, but that time, when I went in to register it, I was told I needed two more things; a weight ticket from a certified scales, and a photograph of the motorhome. We were full time RVers, so we were living in that motorhome and already had everything in it. Had we bought it from a dealer in Texas, he would have known about the new law and had it weighed while empty. So I had to pay more for my tags because it weighed about 5k pounds more than a new, empty one would have weighed. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
   / 12 miles on the road? #60  
For those of you in New York, there is a web site called www.looseleaflaw.com You can buy various books covering different types of rules, regulations, and laws for New York. I see that they also have Connecticut Motor Vehicle law for about $14.00 They have books on Conservation laws, Self Defence regulations, Gun restrictions, Vehicle and Traffic laws, Security laws, Self Defence laws and more. It looks like it mainly covers New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut. Most of the books can be registered to get annual updates at a nominal charge. I hope that this helps. Larry
 

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