12 to 18 month wait for new vehicle!!

[sd455dan]

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FINALLY.......SHE HAS A VEHICLE ORDERED.

She called a dealership four hours away and they are getting a vehicle just like she wants at the end of the month. At first contact they wanted $10,000 over list. Daughter said she started laughing at the salesman. Told him no way was she giving over list price. Hung up on him. They talked back and forth several times over the week and he called her Friday and said the vehicle was hers. List price, down to the penny. But it is exactly what she wanted down to the options and color. Told them she would back out if they added a bunch of 'dealer options' on it.

RSKY

That right there is a big reason I ordered a new Tesla. I really dislike arguing and pulling out hair trying to nail down a "fair" deal with a dealer.
I hope the daughter does not have to go through more headaches when the final deal is being done.
Good that she told them no BS will be tolerated on this final negotiated price.
ps. Tesla has their own can of worms when taking delivery like having to refuse a bad build and such or after purchase timely Quality service.
That is where having a dealer is nice.
Here is Hoping the vehicle is in great shape and she doesn't have to fight to keep them to what they Already agreed to on the negotiated price.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

I bought new Mazda in October under MSRP, it was on a boat when I put a deposit on it. Some dealers more greedy.

 

[RSKY]

I know this is easier said than done, especially in a rural area, but I would go to another dealer.

I've dealt with similar shenanigans from dealers in the past and will no longer deal with them. 10 years ago, I was lucky enough to find one who is fair & reasonable and we've since bought 4 vehicles from them. They don't always offer the lowest price but are usually within the range I'm willing to pay. They quote me their best price up front with no argument or negotiation needed.

Here's an example. In 2020, I placed an order for a 2021 pickup. The order was cancelled due to supply chain issues. The dealer reordered the 2022 version of the same truck but honored the original 2021 price. It was a long wait though. All totaled, it took 18 months.

I'm currently in the process of ordering a new 2023 SUV from the same dealer. The order was placed in Sept of 2022 but, as of last week, it hadn't been accepted for production. The dealer says it may not make the production cut off date for the current model year. As a result, he is searching other dealerships within a 300 mile radius for an identical vehicle. If they succeed, there will be no difference in price and they will credit my deposit from the original order toward the substitute vehicle price. More than fair IMO.

This is a family owned business that makes their money on repeat customers. I'm sure there are many reputable dealers out there who operate the same way. The trick is to find one.

That was then, this is now. She has called every Toyota dealer within a four hour drive. Most want $1000-10000 non refundable and might get a vehicle in a year. With a new baby on the way she will need the vehicle by June. Apparently from what I have heard talking at church ALL Toyotas are in short supply. Customers hopefully will have long memories of what dealers have tried to do.

RSKY

 

[deserteagle71]

That was then, this is now. She has called every Toyota dealer within a four hour drive. Most want $1000-10000 non refundable and might get a vehicle in a year. With a new baby on the way she will need the vehicle by June. Apparently from what I have heard talking at church ALL Toyotas are in short supply. Customers hopefully will have long memories of what dealers have tried to do.

RSKY

Yup. I thought I needed a new Toyota 4Runner Off-Road model so I checked out dealer's web sites in Nevada, Idaho and Oregon. All showed plenty in stock...but when I called to check, in each case I was told the ones pictured on the web sites were not actually on the lot but were either still being built or in transit. All 4Runners are built in Japan, so a long boat ride. I was told I could get on a waiting list, and in 12 -18 months I might receive something close to what I want. No guarantees as to what options would be on the 4Runner I received. All the ones actually being unloaded off the delivery trucks at the dealerships have been sold months beforehand!

 

[Oaktree]

I know this is easier said than done, especially in a rural area, but I would go to another dealer.

Easier said than done even in mid-sized cities where a couple large scale regional entities own most if not all of the dealerships. Probably easier to find an independent dealership in a rural area that's less attractive to these groups.

The market is rapidly changing in the auto world. Dealers are starting to have inventory on their lots..Some of the higher trim levels are still suffering from the chip shortage so if you need massage seats,, you may have to wait a few more months. That said, the general public is feeling the pinch of inflation and the higher interest rates have made people pulling back from large purchases. ..And those rates now make things unaffordable for many. The next 18 months expect it to shift to a buyers market for those who have the means.

Let's hope so. It would be nice if, as supplies increase that there choices other than the most option-loaded models available. I wonder how many buyers end up getting something with all the bells & whistles simply because that's all there was. Then again, there's gotta be a lot of pent-up demand, so I'm thinking it's gonna be a seller's market for some time to come.

 

[Tomtint]

Easier said than done even in mid-sized cities where a couple large scale regional entities own most if not all of the dealerships. Probably easier to find an independent dealership in a rural area that's less attractive to these groups.

Let's hope so. It would be nice if, as supplies increase that there choices other than the most option-loaded models available. I wonder how many buyers end up getting something with all the bells & whistles simply because that's all there was. Then again, there's gotta be a lot of pent-up demand, so I'm thinking it's gonna be a seller's market for some time to come.

Inventory here is stacking up on Ford and GM dealers lots.. Toyotas are still in short supply...But if you are looking for a F250/350...There are plenty to be had. The upper trim levels are somewhat scarce and it appears that the diesels are still not all that available. But Lariat and XLTs..plentiful

 

[LS Tractor Owner]

Inventory here is stacking up on Ford and GM dealers lots.. Toyotas are still in short supply...But if you are looking for a F250/350...There are plenty to be had. The upper trim levels are somewhat scarce and it appears that the diesels are still not all that available. But Lariat and XLTs..plentiful

That's totally opposite of out here.... only high dollar, optioned to the hilt, sitting on the lots. And there are only a handful!

I have been dealing with a Toyota dealer for 6 months now.... I want an SR version, 4x4, double cab with an 8' bed. A real unicorn..... there are only 15 in the entire nation! Toyota will not "order" a truck..... only what they want to ship to the dealers in their 'allotment'.... and you have to put a deposit on it sight unseen. It is refundable though.

Just today, the dealer called me, said he would give me a great deal on an "SR5 version".... he discounted $1 k off msrp and removed the $2 K "dealer addendum" (which is BS anyway). Even with the discounts, it's still $4K more than the SR and it had a short bed....and didn't have the couple of options that I wanted (about $1200 worth).... told him nope!

I'm going to wait.... don't 'have to have it right now' ....

I did tell them that a RAM dealer had a 1500 with more than I wanted -- a lot more, for $500 more than his 'discounted' price! (The RAM dealer knocked off $4200 off msrp.) (only reason I didn't get the RAM was because it was a short bed)

I'll just wait ---

 

[tradosaurus]

That's totally opposite of out here.... only high dollar, optioned to the hilt, sitting on the lots. And there are only a handful!

I have been dealing with a Toyota dealer for 6 months now.... I want an SR version, 4x4, double cab with an 8' bed. A real unicorn..... there are only 15 in the entire nation! Toyota will not "order" a truck..... only what they want to ship to the dealers in their 'allotment'.... and you have to put a deposit on it sight unseen. It is refundable though.

Just today, the dealer called me, said he would give me a great deal on an "SR5 version".... he discounted $1 k off msrp and removed the $2 K "dealer addendum" (which is BS anyway). Even with the discounts, it's still $4K more than the SR and it had a short bed....and didn't have the couple of options that I wanted (about $1200 worth).... told him nope!

I'm going to wait.... don't 'have to have it right now' ....

I did tell them that a RAM dealer had a 1500 with more than I wanted -- a lot more, for $500 more than his 'discounted' price! (The RAM dealer knocked off $4200 off msrp.) (only reason I didn't get the RAM was because it was a short bed)

I'll just wait ---

If you plan on holding on to a vehicle for longer than the warranty you would be better off with the Toyota.

 

[Hay Dude]

That's totally opposite of out here.... only high dollar, optioned to the hilt, sitting on the lots. And there are only a handful!

I have been dealing with a Toyota dealer for 6 months now.... I want an SR version, 4x4, double cab with an 8' bed. A real unicorn..... there are only 15 in the entire nation! Toyota will not "order" a truck..... only what they want to ship to the dealers in their 'allotment'.... and you have to put a deposit on it sight unseen. It is refundable though.

Just today, the dealer called me, said he would give me a great deal on an "SR5 version".... he discounted $1 k off msrp and removed the $2 K "dealer addendum" (which is BS anyway). Even with the discounts, it's still $4K more than the SR and it had a short bed....and didn't have the couple of options that I wanted (about $1200 worth).... told him nope!

I'm going to wait.... don't 'have to have it right now' ....

I did tell them that a RAM dealer had a 1500 with more than I wanted -- a lot more, for $500 more than his 'discounted' price! (The RAM dealer knocked off $4200 off msrp.) (only reason I didn't get the RAM was because it was a short bed)

I'll just wait ---

Ram is very hungry for business and they want to make deals.
In this time of screwing over each other, maybe try to make a deal with them. Possibly on another truck??

When I bought my 5500 is was at the height of Covid. March 2020-dealership closed because it wasn’t a “critical business”.
My Ram dealer was allowed to keep its’ service bays open, but no salespeople at the dealer.
I had to sign the paperwork the night before the dealership was to be closed by the state along with all others in PA.
They made me an excellent deal and I won’t forget that.

 

[deezler]

I was getting ready to order an F150 this year - wanted the powerBoost hybrid for the 430HP/570lbf-ft, 23mpg combined, and the 7.2kW generator built in. Dealers all reporting 4-8 months for new '23 orders, yet many of the current ones arriving now have taken more like 10-12 months. And it was pushing my budget a bit out of the comfort zone.

So I picked up a mint-condish 2019 3.5 EcoBoost for a little over half the price, instead. There's not many used crew-cab 6.5' bed trucks around, looked for a couple months before jumping on this one.

 

[MAX-24-Dean]

Most breakdowns can be avoided by simple PM. A u joint usually gives plenty of warning that it is time to replace vibrations clunking etc. When I change my oil, I go over the hole truck greasing it and shaking ware components. Good look at wiring under hood.

I guess that's why I get 500k out of a truck and others can't get 100k out of theirs. It's nice not to have a truck payment for 20 years.

My daily driver is a 2002 Chevy crew cab, was a rental out of Canada when purchased with around 34,000 miles on it. Never had a payment, other than paying cash for the used vehicle.

Its on its second 6.0 liter engine (400,000 + miles), replaced some instrument panel wirings, soldered the 4 wheel drive switch as it got a cold solder joint. It rides nice and gets the good gas mileage that all those 6.0 Chevys get (13 mpg). Preventative maintenance goes a long ways in helping prevent "unexpected breakdowns". I expect this truck to be the last truck I own.

My daily driver prior to it was a 65 Ford F250 with over 500,000 miles on it.

My next truck will have to be on the other side of life!

 

[Tomtint]

My daily driver is a 2002 Chevy crew cab, was a rental out of Canada when purchased with around 34,000 miles on it. Never had a payment, other than paying cash for the used vehicle.

Its on its second 6.0 liter engine (400,000 + miles), replaced some instrument panel wirings, soldered the 4 wheel drive switch as it got a cold solder joint. It rides nice and gets the good gas mileage that all those 6.0 Chevys get (13 mpg). Preventative maintenance goes a long ways in helping prevent "unexpected breakdowns". I expect this truck to be the last truck I own.

My daily driver prior to it was a 65 Ford F250 with over 500,000 miles on it.

My next truck will have to be on the other side of life!

We move our daily drivers on about every 2-3 years, My work van goes about 70K miles and I trade it. Oddly enough I have a 99 F150 that I paid 2K for.. and proceeded to put another 12K into it over the past 5 years. Its at 190K now and If i get it to 250k miles...Ill consider it a wash.

 

[LS Tractor Owner]

If you plan on holding on to a vehicle for longer than the warranty you would be better off with the Toyota.

Ram is very hungry for business and they want to make deals.
In this time of screwing over each other, maybe try to make a deal with them. Possibly on another truck??

When I bought my 5500 is was at the height of Covid. March 2020-dealership closed because it wasn’t a “critical business”.
My Ram dealer was allowed to keep its’ service bays open, but no salespeople at the dealer.
I had to sign the paperwork the night before the dealership was to be closed by the state along with all others in PA.
They made me an excellent deal and I won’t forget that.

Yeah, I'm holding my ground..... I will be buying it outright (except for trade in-- about $11-12K). This will be my last truck (barring theft or accident), so I want what I want.
I did consider bumping up to a 3/4 ton. Don't really need one, but it would be easier to find an 8' bed. I'm in no hurry, so looking around almost daily isn't a problem.
I figured by the time I find one, I'll have more bucks to apply to a heavier truck if need be.

 

[bdhsfz6]

Yeah, I'm holding my ground..... I will be buying it outright (except for trade in-- about $11-12K). This will be my last truck (barring theft or accident), so I want what I want.
I did consider bumping up to a 3/4 ton. Don't really need one, but it would be easier to find an 8' bed. I'm in no hurry, so looking around almost daily isn't a problem.
I figured by the time I find one, I'll have more bucks to apply to a heavier truck if need be.

Interesting.

I waited over a year for a 3/4 ton pickup but the order got cancelled due to supply chain issues during the pandemic. Like you, I wanted what I wanted but I eventually settled for a 1/2 ton which were easier to find.

All the trucks I've ever owned were 3/4 ton but since I don't haul heavy equipment anymore, I really don't need the heavier duty vehicle. Now, after a year, I've come to appreciate the cheaper registration & insurance, better mileage and softer suspension.

I suppose it all depends on where you live and what you do. YMMV

 

[LS Tractor Owner]

Interesting.

I waited over a year for a 3/4 ton pickup but the order got cancelled due to supply chain issues during the pandemic. Like you, I wanted what I wanted but I eventually settled for a 1/2 ton which were easier to find.

All the trucks I've ever owned were 3/4 ton but since I don't haul heavy equipment anymore, I really don't need the heavier duty vehicle. Now, after a year, I've come to appreciate the cheaper registration & insurance, better mileage and softer suspension.

I suppose it all depends on where you live and what you do. YMMV

The biggest deal for me is the 8' bed. A 3/4 ton truck would definitely be overkill for me too! The most I will tow is under 11K, and that would be very a rare occurrence. Mostly to haul our RV which tops out at 6900 lbs.

I am very skeptical about these small 2.7, 3.5, 3.6 liter engines. Yes they are powerful, but for how long? To me, there is no replacement for displacement. At least the RAM trucks have the option for a V-8, so does Chevy / GMC.

My biggest "scare" about the Toyota was the problem with the rear mounted electric wastegates on the turbos. Apparently there was a bunch of the early '22's that would fail and put the truck into limp mode. Toyota marks it up to a bad batch getting by poor quality control.

 

[Torvy]

The biggest deal for me is the 8' bed. A 3/4 ton truck would definitely be overkill for me too! The most I will tow is under 11K, and that would be very a rare occurrence. Mostly to haul our RV which tops out at 6900 lbs.

I am very skeptical about these small 2.7, 3.5, 3.6 liter engines. Yes they are powerful, but for how long? To me, there is no replacement for displacement. At least the RAM trucks have the option for a V-8, so does Chevy / GMC.

My biggest "scare" about the Toyota was the problem with the rear mounted electric wastegates on the turbos. Apparently there was a bunch of the early '22's that would fail and put the truck into limp mode. Toyota marks it up to a bad batch getting by poor quality control.

I feel your pain looking for a unicorn. Ours not as much as yours, but we wanted a Tundra Double-Cab with the 6.5' bed. Had to be 4x4 and SR5 or better and come in at a 30k or less price point with less than 150k miles. Eventually got a 2017 with just over 100k miles. Given our intended uses, it should last as long as we do.

Toyota is having production issues because Japan still shuts things down due to illness. Tundra is built in San Antonio, so unless they need parts from Japan, the issue should be less. I just didn't want to pay that much more money, especially for a newly redesigned truck.

 

[bdhsfz6]

The biggest deal for me is the 8' bed. A 3/4 ton truck would definitely be overkill for me too! The most I will tow is under 11K, and that would be very a rare occurrence. Mostly to haul our RV which tops out at 6900 lbs.

I am very skeptical about these small 2.7, 3.5, 3.6 liter engines. Yes they are powerful, but for how long? To me, there is no replacement for displacement. At least the RAM trucks have the option for a V-8, so does Chevy / GMC.

My biggest "scare" about the Toyota was the problem with the rear mounted electric wastegates on the turbos. Apparently there was a bunch of the early '22's that would fail and put the truck into limp mode. Toyota marks it up to a bad batch getting by poor quality control.

Aside from the extra hauling capacity, I liked the larger brakes on the 3/4 ton trucks. The brakes on my 1/2 ton company trucks always seemed inadequate when pulling a fully loaded trailer. Even though the weight was within spec, there was always some fade on steep grades. I had no fade whatever when trailering with a 3/4 ton. Most of the time, I didn't notice any difference when trailering or not.

When I switched to a half ton, I added "branded" brakes to increase performance. It was a dealer installed option so had no effect on locating a suitable vehicle.

I should mention that my experience is limited to Chevy, Ford & Dodge so I can't comment on other makes.

 

[hiddentacocatneddih]

Last time I went to a dealer, they had only optioned out 1500's that started around $60k

You could get into a 1 ton dually around the same price.

I hope to never go to a traditional dealer ever again. We ordered our last car thru carmax. Swiped our debt card and left within 15 minutes. At the time, they had the best price and selection on minivans

 

[Dftodd]

Last time I went to a dealer, they had only optioned out 1500's that started around $60k

You could get into a 1 ton dually around the same price.

I hope to never go to a traditional dealer ever again. We ordered our last car thru carmax. Swiped our debt card and left within 15 minutes. At the time, they had the best price and selection on minivans

Carmax has a refurb/ rehab shop across the street from my work. Vehicles go there before being distributed to the individual lots. After witnessing the condition of the vehicles going into that shop and what those idiots do on a regular basis with those vehicles.....

Yeah, I won't be purchasing anything from them, period.

Majority of vehicles before going through the shop resemble thrashed out, low end auction vehicles. Body damage, wrecked front ends, or rear ends. They then have wannabe street racers ragging the vehicles out further thrashing them up and down the road, just flogging the hell out of them.

There drivers have put several cars through our fence, as well as the fence across the street.

 

[hiddentacocatneddih]

Carmax has a refurb/ rehab shop across the street from my work. Vehicles go there before being distributed to the individual lots. After witnessing the condition of the vehicles going into that shop and what those idiots do on a regular basis with those vehicles.....

Yeah, I won't be purchasing anything from them, period.

Majority of vehicles before going through the shop resemble thrashed out, low end auction vehicles. Body damage, wrecked front ends, or rear ends. They then have wannabe street racers ragging the vehicles out further thrashing them up and down the road, just flogging the hell out of them.

There drivers have put several cars through our fence, as well as the fence across the street.

That's disappointing but not surprising. I really dont trust any used cars without climbing under them or really dig into them

So far I havnt found any issues

Most modern cars are so valued engineered, like a cell phone they are designed to be throw away after a few years.

I'm confident that my wife's current van will be junked due to the electronics dying long before the mechanical bits. It has a few software bugs I wish I had the source code to so i could fix them.

I had a 92 dodge that was the opposite. The drive train is still in my shop and will run, but the truck was from Michigan and rusted down after 25 years.