1961 Ford 4030 - Clutch Problem?

[Jerry/MT]

Quick update - I went to TSC today, but they had no manuals at all. It was raining, so further tests will have to wait a day or two. I'm very impressed by the prompt and informative responses here. Hope I can provide some useful info to others as I proceed...

Look on ebay or try Tractor and Equipment Repair Manuals and More - Jensales. Also try your local New Holland dealer. New Holland bought the Ford tractor business and supports the older machnes with parts,etc.

 

[CedarHillFarm]

Ok - I did some more testing today. The PTO works. Does that mean that the clutch is ok, or is it likely that just the front clutch is bad? I ordered an I-T Shop Service manual last night.

 

[strum456]

Ok - I did some more testing today. The PTO works. Does that mean that the clutch is ok, or is it likely that just the front clutch is bad? I ordered an I-T Shop Service manual last night.

If you want, pm me your number and I'll give you a call.

Did you have it in gear like I said when checking the pto?

 

[Ford tractor]

If you want, pm me your number and I'll give you a call.

Did you have it in gear like I said when checking the pto?

To make the pto spin on a 4 speed, it has to be in gear and moving.

The OP did that, right?

 

[whodat526]

To make the pto spin on a 4 speed, it has to be in gear and moving.

The OP did that, right?

the tractor dont have to move for the pto to work but the tractor does have a single clutch

to the op have you tried to run pto with something connected the pto could still spin with a burned out clutch if nothing is connected it to put it under a load

i think you clutch is out

 

[strum456]

Exactly. The point of my test is this. If the pto spins with the tractor in gear but the tractor is not moving (for an unknown reason), the clutch has been eliminated as the immediate problem.

If the clutch was slipping, the pto would not spin, since it shares the same clutch. Try this without putting the tractor in gear, and the test is useless because even a bad clutch would spin the pto with no load.

 

[whodat526]

Exactly. The point of my test is this. If the pto spins with the tractor in gear but the tractor is not moving (for an unknown reason), the clutch has been eliminated as the immediate problem.

If the clutch was slipping, the pto would not spin, since it shares the same clutch. Try this without putting the tractor in gear, and the test is useless because even a bad clutch would spin the pto with no load.

yea that would be the easiest way to find out the problem

 

[strum456]

If the clutch comes out ok as described, then he could jack up the rear tires, put it in gear and try turing one tire. The opposite tire will turn backwards if all is well in the transmission and differential. Maybe he has a broken axle or something???

Edit: I should note, it is important to rule out the clutch prior to this test, or it will tell you nothing.

 

[Soundguy]

yep.. cause it could be an aft issue...a snapped axle, pinion or ring gear broke loose..

 

[strum456]

Thats what I am thinking soundguy. Have you guys ever seen a clutch that bad? The springs would have had to fly out of the thing. Even with no friction pad left at all, wouldnt it still move the tractor a little?