1963 Case 530CK Backhoe/Loader

   / 1963 Case 530CK Backhoe/Loader
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#91  
Walker1, thanks for that information. The price you payed was similar to what I paid for mine and I sourced mine through eBay. Also thanks for the time to post tire price and the pictures, I really enjoy them, thanks...............
 
   / 1963 Case 530CK Backhoe/Loader
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Well, I guess it's time for another post regarding the progress of the backhoe rebuild. I thought this would be simpler and maybe more straight forward than the tractor and loader. And it appears that there is more damage to all of the frame, components, pins and bushings than I reckoned. It's fortunate that I rebuilt the stabilizers and cylinders before even starting on the hoe, it's just one more thing that I don't have to do. As I disassembled all of the components, I found really extensive damage to some of the important parts that aren't readily visible until you take them apart. One of the components in particular was the lower self-centering bushing that connects the tower to the frame arm extension. It, was not only broken, but the bore boss that holds the retaining ring had been ground down to the point that half of the ring was gone. The tower had dropped down on that boss to the point that the weld fastening the ring to the frame arm extension was half gone. But again, fortunately, the bore that holds that self-centering bushing was still intact and aligned with the upper bore. I won't include it with this post but will show you in the next post how I dealt with it, but in this post I'll just show you some of the pins and bushings I machined, along with the corresponding metal grades.

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This is the start of the upper pin for the backhoe tower, you can see the groove that I'm machining in that accepts the retaining snap-ring. There are grooves on each end, and when installed will have a large washer and then the snap-ring which keeps the pin in place. I chose 1045 mid carbon, 2"diameter steel to machine. It winds up being a little hard to machine, but had a correspondingly higher tensile strength and better wear characteristics than straight 1018 cold rolled steel. But keep in mind, 1045 isn't a real good choice if you have to weld it, the carbon content makes it a bad choice. A guy wants to turn it a little slower and feed it a little slower as well, with plenty of lubricant.

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Here I'm boring the grease hole which will penetrate to the center of the pin, and lubricate the upper joint when installed, again remember it drills a little harder too.

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Now, I'm threading with an 1/8" pipe tap and will thread in the grease zerk after inserting the pin through the yoke and bushings. It tapped just fine but with plenty of cutting oil. I think this will work fine for the upper pin.

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I'm down to the last couple of thousandth's cut and really have to be careful not to take off too much metal. It's a real dance to get just the right amount of slack between bushing and pin, because if you don't have enough clearance between bushing and pin when you press the bushing into the boss, the metal compresses ever so slightly and will keep the pin from going in and conversely; if you have too much clearance s a person will have a sloppy fit and it will cause excessive ware of the pin. I used DOM for all my bushing; which is usually 1020 carbon steel. It machines well and finishes up with a smooth appearance. By the way, I learned that in most cases the bushings should be softer material than the pins and should be the wear part that is replaced for a pressed or friction fit the outside circumference of that bushing should be .001 oversized to the bore that you are going to seat it into. As a rule of thumb; if the bore is 1" then the bushing should be a thousands over, if it is 2" it should be 1 1/2-2 thousands over and so on.

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Here are the two together and they fit real nice. And now I have to cut the bushing down to the right length and then press it into place. You always have to have more material than you actually need so that the lathe has something to hold onto while machining. By the way, that isn't rust on my ways, it's just the cutting fluid with some fine particles of metal mixed in.

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You can see the old pin stacked on top of the new billet and that's what shape it's supposed to look like when I'm finished. I'm starting the lower threaded pin and just starting the truing cut. A guy has to prep each end so that you can get the work piece concentric with the center axis of the lathe. In this picture you can see that I've taken off a few thousand's and will turn it end for end and re-chuck it up to start the work. Now that I have a round surface for the chuck to grab it will be true to turn. Also notice how much larger the diameter of the billet is than the pattern pin, I need that extra metal to form the flange on the end of the pin. And in this case I am using 2 1/2" diameter, 8620 alloy steel for my pin stock. The tensile rating for 8620 is around 100,000 psi and the real bonus is that it is weldable and not overly expensive. At least for me, I had to really pay attention to my rpm and feed rate to machine it, it's hard.

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After a lot of passes, you can see what I mean by the larger end in the chuck. The center part is the journal that bears on the self centering bushing and yoke and the end captured by the tail stock will soon become the threads of this pin.

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Finally got it turned to size and polished on the main journal and ready to cut threads on the end.

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Threads are cut and both reliefs grooves have been machined at each end of the center journal. I'm chamfering the end of the threads to make for an easy start of the nut that I thread on.

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At this point I've cut off the excess end that was what the chuck held onto, to turn the work and I'm cutting flats on each side with the mill for my wrench to fit on. What I did was use a parting tool to get the right dimension for the thickness of the flange, while it was still chucked up in my lathe, then cut the rest of the way through with my band saw, then trued up the end on the lathe.

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Here is a finished view of one half completed. I just have to un-clamp it from the vise and flip it 180 degrees and do the same to the opposite side.

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Here are the finished products and you can see how they compare with the old worn out pins. Also you can see how broken the self-centering bushing housing was that I removed from the frame. The new one is to the left of it for comparison. I felt real fortunate to find a new replacement bushing, because I don't think they use that type of bushing any more in the newer hoes and that's something that I could never have manufactured!

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Just a close up comparison of the old and new. I made mine a little heftier at the base flange and the upper shoulder a tad longer for better engagement of the bore of the tower.

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This picture just gives a closer look of those pins. Remember, the straight one with the grooves at each end is for the upper part and the one with the threads is for the lower part.
 
   / 1963 Case 530CK Backhoe/Loader #93  
Beautiful work.

I can only imagine what it would cost to have these parts made by a machine shop.

You are remarkable.

PAGUY
 
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I can only imagine what it would cost to have these parts made by a machine shop.
PAGUY

PAGUY

You know PAGUY, the cost of outsourcing the machining of that part or buying it from a Case dealer, would be prohibitive. I went into my local dealer and had him quote me the cost of the lower boom pivot pin, which I have not made yet (2" dia. x about 12" long) and he said there was only one in stock on the East coast, Pennsylvania in fact. The cost was: $600.00 and change. Now, I know that the one he was quoting was hardened and heat treated and better than the one I can create, but I think the one I manufacture will still suffice and not cost that much.......... My tractor is too old to be spending that much money for something that is not used commercially.
 
   / 1963 Case 530CK Backhoe/Loader #95  
PAGUY

You know PAGUY, the cost of outsourcing the machining of that part or buying it from a Case dealer, would be prohibitive. I went into my local dealer and had him quote me the cost of the lower boom pivot pin, which I have not made yet (2" dia. x about 12" long) and he said there was only one in stock on the East coast, Pennsylvania in fact. The cost was: $600.00 and change. Now, I know that the one he was quoting was hardened and heat treated and better than the one I can create, but I think the one I manufacture will still suffice and not cost that much.......... My tractor is too old to be spending that much money for something that is not used commercially.

Not dissing you and probably do the same but do you have a way to get that pin out if it bent? ?
 
   / 1963 Case 530CK Backhoe/Loader
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Not dissing you and probably do the same but do you have a way to get that pin out if it bent? ?

Well farm boy00, I'm not sure I understand your question, but if you mean my boom pin? I already have it removed from the boom. It was so loose from wear that it just came scooting out after I removed the keeper bolt on the end of the pin. If you're asking how to remove a bent pin from the same boom, I'd have to know more.

You see, when I ask the parts counter person how much a new pin would cost, it was at the front end of my project and I had not attempted to machine my pins yet. But when he told me how expensive it would be, I did some research and decided to make my own. Now, I've heard about 4140 and some of the other steels, but most of them are not easily welded and my boom pin has a piece of 1/4" or 5/16" plate stock welded to one end and threaded on the other. So I needed a steel that is strong and easily welded, so I picked 8620 alloy steel. I hope that answers you question.

Stan.
 
   / 1963 Case 530CK Backhoe/Loader #97  
Well farm boy00, I'm not sure I understand your question, but if you mean my boom pin? I already have it removed from the boom. It was so loose from wear that it just came scooting out after I removed the keeper bolt on the end of the pin. If you're asking how to remove a bent pin from the same boom, I'd have to know more.

You see, when I ask the parts counter person how much a new pin would cost, it was at the front end of my project and I had not attempted to machine my pins yet. But when he told me how expensive it would be, I did some research and decided to make my own. Now, I've heard about 4140 and some of the other steels, but most of them are not easily welded and my boom pin has a piece of 1/4" or 5/16" plate stock welded to one end and threaded on the other. So I needed a steel that is strong and easily welded, so I picked 8620 alloy steel. I hope that answers you question.

Stan.

All I meant was that if your using a weaker steel for the pin when you finish the project is that you may want to have a way to remove the pin if it bends
 
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#98  
All I meant was that if your using a weaker steel for the pin when you finish the project is that you may want to have a way to remove the pin if it bends

Thanks for the clarification you bring up a fair point, I'm using 8620 alloy pin stock, it's 2" dia., I don't think a 530ck has enough power to ever bend that bar. It might wear sooner than a heat treated and normalized pin, but tensile and yield strength of 8620 are much higher than the hydraulic power of that tractor. But if it did, yes, I would know how to remove it.

Here is list of it's uses: 8620 applications include gears, pinions, cams, cranks, clutch shafts, shafting, axles, tie bars, collets, bushings, heavy duty pins, bolting, springs, hand tools, die cases, and a multitude of machinery parts and components.

I do appreciate your input, thanks.
 
   / 1963 Case 530CK Backhoe/Loader #99  
Thanks for the update. I really enjoy this thread and watching your machining skills.
 
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Thought I would show you what I did on the backhoe frame. After removing boom, crowd and bucket this is what was left. The cylinders and flanged pins on top and bottom were so worn and egg shaped that I had to re-lathe and bush everything. I know that I showed you this previously but I thought it would keep in context the next steps that were done.

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Here is the worn and cracked pieces just before removing pins and bolts.

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Frame is now separated from docking bars, but both bushings are still in the frame.

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Close up of the damaged self-centering bushing, but with half the housing boss ground down. As I showed you in a previous post the eyeball bushing housing or race was cracked and broken.

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I pulled back to show both the upper and lower tower extensions, clean enough to finally see the damage. If you look closely at the bottom swing cylinder bar you can see the deep wear into the metal where the cylinder was moving and grinding into that metal as well. This was part of the reason that the boom, when fully extended would swing about 2' and would have to hunt for the trench.

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In this picture you can see the bushing sleeve that I made to remove the bushing from the boss. You can also see the wear in the boss with some metal at the outer edge distorted and misshapen. I used an AVOS pad to grind and blend that metal with the rest of the boss. I'll probably put a wear washer that I can replace if it wears in the future.

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Thought I would include the tool that I made up to remove the bigger bushings. It is made out of 1"x3" flat bar A36 steel for the body and 1"x8 dia. all thread that I had laying around and I turned the bushing sleeve out of some heavy DOM 1020 steel. Before welding the legs, I mounded them up in my mill and machined them to the same length for even extraction. If you look at the lines on the old bushing coming out you can tell where it stopped and started again with every turn of the wrench, it was in there pretty tight!

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This one shows new self-centering bushing (lower right) and the old one (upper right). On the lower left is the new boss ring that I machined that will eventually welded to the lower frame extension. Above it on the left is a boss guide that I turned that will only be used to align the boss ring when I weld it. That boss ring has a groove machined into it, though it doesn't show in this picture that, when in place will hold the retainer snap ring, which then holds the self-centering bushing in place.

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I've ground the damaged face flat and am prepping it for the boss ring. If you look close you can see the partial groove left in the top of the bore which will mate up with the boss ring that I'll weld in place. The flange at the bottom of the bore keeps the bushing from sliding on through, which means you can only install or remove the bushing from the top.

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This close up shows how fit up and position of the final assembly. If you look closely in the lower part of the arm extension you can see where someone has welded up with a cross stitch weld. I figure it has probably been fatigued or cracked before, there is one on the opposite side too. When I'm done I'll re-enforce it in those spots...........

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Now you can see the ring in place and the centering device (which will be pressed clear to the shoulder) and I'll tack weld the ring in 8 or 10 equal spaced places then remove it before final weld. I figure if the ring shrinks at all during welding I don't want that centering bushing pressed all the way in, it might be a little hard to remove. Next time I'll show you some of the machining I did on the swing cylinder flanged pins and bushing.
 

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