1975 165 stuck in neutral range.. How to Unstuck it?
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After I took the cover off I noticed one of these (3) pressure springs had popped out leaving two in place and one landed on the casing. You can see there are 4 holes. Should all 4 have springs? I fear one may have dropped into the box... I'll have to drain the oil to be sure but my question here is ..which holes need springs?
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That's good, glad I remembered that I had them.
IIRC, try to put both levers in the neutral position before you lift the shift cover off.
I'm hoping you find the locking screw beneath the range lever has come loose. If that isn't the problem, it will be on the rear of the gearbox at the range gearset - loose lock screw, broken selector fork or split drive collar. If any of those is the cause, you'll need to split the tractor at the joint on the right side in your picture.
Any of these possibilities will be easy and cheap to fix.
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Is that an 8speed gearbox? If so, it looks like a spring is missing. The ball? Or tapered slider? may still be in the hole.
Either way, a small mechanic's magnet should find it - that's from repeated experience.
Keep the springs in place with grease down the hole.
Some pics from a 135 service manual:
Either way, a small mechanic's magnet should find it - that's from repeated experience.
Keep the springs in place with grease down the hole.
Some pics from a 135 service manual:
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Note: Each spring has a steel ball, or maybe a tapered slider, beneath it. If you move gear selectors while the cover is off, they're likely to jump out - hence the idea of selecting neutral before removing the cover.
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It's 6 speeds forward and 2 reverse. You can see the shifters in the photo, one has spring and a c clamp and the h-l range has nothing. Is this normal? I don't see any parts that would have fallen inside but they may have fallen further into the box and submerged in the oil. I don't have the right socket on hand to take out the drain plug to look. Can you advise? Thanks
Here are photos of the gasket looks like it has been mangled by the motion of the h-l range bar. Could this affect the shifting ie; it's not moving into place properly when moving the shifter from low to high and back and forth? Seems like a fine point but there it is... What now? Thanks for this help Patrick!
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The gasket would have little or nothing to do with it. Now the cover is off, you see the shift gate and rail are intact. The problem must be in the hi/lo itself. With the spring and detent plungers loose you can easily shift any of the rails by hand, so what does the hi/lo rail feel like? In theory, you should be able to slide it from hi to neutral to lo and back again, and with just a slight finger pressure on the detent spring feel the plunger drop into each one. Does that happen? You may have to rotate some gears/shafts to find the right spot, but if you can't make that happen you will need to get into the fork and sliding collar of the planetary unit on the back of the transmission. A rear split may be in your future. If the problem is with the fork or the collar, you may be able to get it out and back in place with the lift cover off. If it's in the planetary, then the split will need to happen.
I'm hoping against hope I don't have to split it the way you describe. It might be cheap fix but it doesn't look easy. I'm going to suggest I fashion a new gasket and put the cover back on top see and go from there. Do you concur
Yes, the detent grooves in the hi-low rail move freely with the cover off and springs decompressed and stop in all 3 positions with slight finger pressure on the springs.
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Harry's explanation is all correct.
Can you post a picture from above of the selector rails? I expected to see one rail for H-L and 2 rails for the main gearbox, but isn't there another?
As far as a trial run, just temporarily refit the cover with 2 or 3 bolts and see how that H-L selector works.
Can you post a picture from above of the selector rails? I expected to see one rail for H-L and 2 rails for the main gearbox, but isn't there another?
As far as a trial run, just temporarily refit the cover with 2 or 3 bolts and see how that H-L selector works.
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I believe you are seeing the stationary rail that prevents moving 1-2 & 3-R at same time.
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I understand you mean R-1 & 2-3, referring to the lock-out mechanism, but why does he mention four springs and plungers?
Here's a picture of an 8- and a 6-speed shift cover from a 135 book. Could it indeed be an 8speed? Or are they a different design in the bigger tractors?
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From his photos, it is an eight speed. Doesn't really matter though, the hi/lo is basically the same with either. If his problem is back there he still has more digging to get to it.
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Looking at Doitnow's pictures in post #36,
1st (Top) rail slides back and forth for HI & LO
2nd from top slides back and forth for 3 & R
3rd from top is stationary and prevents moving two slides at same time.
4th (bottom) rail slides back and forth for 1 & 2
So I got the cover back on the transmission gears and the gear levers feel like they're clicking in properly but not engaging to move forward in either gear/range, same as before . I've loosened the 16 or so bolts at the split, in preparation for the unavoidable. Will prepare to support both sides of the split underneath somehow and then allow the rear to ease out far enough to look in carefully so it doesn't drop or move sideways. Any other suggestions what to do? (I'm a bit confused about the rails discussion and the 4 springs but I think they are all in place and will function if the L-H range thing is fixed unless I'm not seeing something) Really appreciate any and all comments, you guys are giving me the needed confidence to get this done!! Richard
