Oil & Fuel #2 heating oil, Road diesel, or K1 kerosene

sneaky_pete · Dec 24, 2004

( What burns my hindend and burns it good is Sure they come up to us and others preaching on how we need to pay taxes and Blaaaaaaaaaa Blaaaaaaaaaaa . But Check their fuel tanks out . Every state county city owned . vechicle dump truck or semi,, Their tanks are full of Off Road Diesel . Sulpher was removed to to polution what a Crock whene they can burn it up and down the highways day in day out . From school buses to the DPT Tax anbd Revenue's Big fancy Peterbilt tanker)

And the black helicopters - don't forget the black helicopters. Let's just hope they don't start taxing the tin foil we use to make our hats.

Woodan · Dec 24, 2004

They can still detect it if you have ever put non-tax in your tank. The red dye is detectable long after use. It stains everything. You even have to be careful when you buy a used diesel truck. The previous owner could have used non-tax and you could get caught with their mistake.

MikePA · Dec 24, 2004

Their tanks are full of Off Road Diesel . 
Just curious...How do you know this?

JerryG · Dec 24, 2004

Their tanks are full of Off Road Diesel . 
That is the way it is in Arkansas. State vehicles and school buses use off-road.

Dargo · Dec 24, 2004

Woodan, I often wondered about what you mention. Last summer I was several miles from town at a friend's farm. When I went to leave I noticed that my fuel tank in my Dodge diesel with a Cummins was flat on empty. After hearing all of the horror stories about running a diesel out of fuel, I had him put two gallons of his off road fuel in my truck to get me safely to town. I couldn't tell any difference in how it ran, and it didn't smoke more or anything.

I seriously doubt (but don't know) that I would now get into trouble several months later. Hopefully I won't find out, but I'm not missing any sleep over worrying about it. Since I don't haul anything it seems the odds of me getting checked would be slim. However, I do wonder if any of that dye would be present anywhere. Not because of the dye, but because of schedule, I've even changed my fuel filter since then.

DocHeb · Dec 24, 2004

It would be logical to have the State use off-road diesel. What are we supposed to do, make them use non-dyed and increase our taxes to pay the taxes?

MadReferee · Dec 24, 2004

( Their tanks are full of Off Road Diesel .
Just curious...How do you know this? ))

The IRS thru some federal regulation ( don't know the actual number) permits a number of state and local entities to receive a refund of taxes paid for undyed on-road diesel and other fuels. Since a refund can be claimed for on-road fuel, it only makes sense for these entities to use dyed off-road fuel.

IRS form 4136 is used to claim a 24.4 cent per gallon refund of federal taxes for on-road diesel. I would suggest that you take a look at that form and its instructions to see if it applies to any of your uses of undyed on-road fuel.

MikePA · Dec 24, 2004

It wasn't clear what briggs_man was more upset about; that government employees were using off road fuel that had more sulfur (causing more pollution), or that the off road fuel was not being taxed.

In either case, establishing they actually were using off road fuel is the first step in understanding the situation, hence my question. No need to explain the wisdom in using untaxed (untaxed, not off road) fuel (diesel or gasoline) since it's common sense that it's cheaper to not pay the taxes in the first place versus paying them and asking for a refund. Since I don't use off road diesel (don't use enough diesel for this to matter, not to mention there's no place nearby to buy it), I won't be using the IRS forms, but it's good to know they exist.

briggs_man · Dec 24, 2004

( The red dye is detectable long after use. It stains everything. You even have to be careful when you buy a used diesel truck. The previous owner could have used non-tax and you could get caught with their mistake.
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Thats a load of crap it dont stain filters, it dont stain Tanks , and My excavator and tractor fuel filters with the clear waterseperators have proved that to be a lie again and again... Matter of fact ill go grab my hacksaw and cut open another filter that has had 500 gallon or more of off road fuel ran thru it . Came off a Excavator ,,......... What bugs me is we heard all this crap about polution and the goverment turns right around and keeps pumping sulpher out the stacks , thats what burns my **** ,,,,,,,, Ill Post pics soon of the filter im about to cut open

As soon as i can find a Good Biodiesel supplier my plans for this comming year is . All my Diesel powerd equipment is going Biodiesel power ........... Good bye opec and their over priced junk they call Gasoline and Diesel fuel

MikePA · Dec 24, 2004

As soon as i can find a Good Biodiesel supplier my plans for this comming year is . All my Diesel powerd equipment is going Biodiesel power ........... Good bye opec and their over priced junk they call Gasoline and Diesel fuel 
Do you plan on using B100?