2 quick questions

[moojamboo]

Hey all, ford 1710 700 hours geared with shuttle shift.

Owned it for about a year and unsure on shifting. I still come to complete stop when shifting range on floor, or gear on shuttle stalk. I have read that with a shuttle you don't need to? Can someone explain the process to me in laymans terms for correct operation? I want to know what I can do, but I need longevity as this tractor needs to last! Love it btw.

Also, can I fill up my diesel tank while tractor is on?

Thanks all,

 

[mostly_gas]

Can't answer the first question from experience because my tractor is gear. What I have heard is that the shuttle shift (forward and reverse) can be shifted with out stopping.
On the second question, you don't have quite the fire hazard as a gas engine but why take the risk? With a full tank I will run out of "gas" before my tractor will. :thumbsup:

 

[moojamboo]

Right now my garage bay with my tractor has my jeep and tools as well. I can get everything out of the elements but that makes the space unusable for "work", like filling her up before or after use. So my plan is to stop and turn off the tractor before I put her away, fill her up, then start again and put in garage.

I figured I could save wear and tear on the starter by filling up the tractor while on. If the only logic to shutting down is spill safety, I would just be careful. If I can run a chainsaw I can be careful enough I assume.

 

[RPW]

Shuttle shift allows shifting from forward to reverse without coming to a complete stop. On some tractors you can even do it without the clutch. All other gears you need to come to a complete stop as those gears don't have a sycronising (sp) system.

Diesel is much harder to start a fire than gas as it's vapor point is something like 140deg while gas is something like -140degs. Generally I will shutdown because I don't want the tractor moving under its own power for any reason. Just safety.

Good luck.

 

[smstonypoint]

Hey all, ford 1710 700 hours geared with shuttle shift.

Owned it for about a year and unsure on shifting. I still come to complete stop when shifting range on floor, or gear on shuttle stalk. I have read that with a shuttle you don't need to? Can someone explain the process to me in laymans terms for correct operation? I want to know what I can do, but I need longevity as this tractor needs to last! Love it btw.

Shuttle shift allows shifting from forward to reverse without coming to a complete stop. On some tractors you can even do it without the clutch.All other gears you need to come to a complete stop as those gears don't have a sycronising (sp) system.

I think that terminology may differ across manufacturers and/or models. I have a NH TN55 with mechanical shuttle shift and 4 gears in each of two ranges (A&B). I can shift between gears without stopping (the gears are synchronized) and I could (I think?) use the shuttle shift to switch between forward and reverse in the same gear without coming to a complete stop. However, I come to a complete stop when switching directions to avoid unnecessary wear and tear. I have to come to a complete stop to change between ranges.

Steve

 

[Mark Page]

RPW is correct. I have synchro shuttle shift on my Massey231s, I can shift from forward to reverse with out coming to a complete stop. Beware though if you shift into reverse you're going to be going backwards at the same speed you were going forward. Try it once at slow speed. Oh, you do have to clutch to make the change.

 

[boatyard]

My New Holland TC35A with shuttle shift, works as Smstonypoint described. I can shift between forward and reverse without stopping. I can shift gears on the fly, only one gear at a time downshifting. To change the range the tractor has to be at a standstill.A full stop to shift from 2wd to 4wd.

 

[moojamboo]

Thanks for the help all. So if I am going in reverse and shuttle to forward while still moving in reverse, do I let the clutch out while still moving backward? Sounds like I can shift forward/reverse while moving...can I release the clutch and give it gas or still wait until a stop.

Thanks again...want to fully understand before a catastrophic failure in my driveway.

Happy Saturday

 

[nickel plate]

Right now my garage bay with my tractor has my jeep and tools as well. I can get everything out of the elements but that makes the space unusable for "work", like filling her up before or after use. So my plan is to stop and turn off the tractor before I put her away, fill her up, then start again and put in garage.

I figured I could save wear and tear on the starter by filling up the tractor while on. If the only logic to shutting down is spill safety, I would just be careful. If I can run a chainsaw I can be careful enough I assume.

Hello moojamboo,
In your first post you say that your 1710 (made from 1983 to 1986) has only 700 hours on it. Unless you are now rapidly going through a tank of fuel, the wear and tear on the starter is nonexistent unless the starter is presently showing weakening signs of rebuild/replacement. Shut 'er off to refuel. No need to be climbing around on a tractor to refuel while the engine is running-same as attaching an implement.
On the shuttle forward/reverse shifting while in motion, WHY? Just a quicker way to tear your gear up and see the tractor split in half at the shop.

 

[Ford tractor]

I strongly disagree with your "savings" of filling with the engine running. Objectively, the down side of doing it your way is that the tractor has a pretty decent chance of catching fire and burning to the ground. There is also a decent chance that you will be burning along with it.

The down side of shutting it off while filling is that after several decades of daily use, the starter MAY need to be rebuilt or replaced slightly sooner.

Oh, if you do the math, the accumulated cost of the fuel expended running the machine for about 5 minutes each time it's refueled will certainly exceed the differential cost of an early starter rebuild. So what are you actually "saving"?

 

[moojamboo]

My original thoughts were easier to replace diesel than a 25 year old ford/shibaura starter.

Thanks for the advice all, I think I will just shut her off.

Take care

 

[roman]

Hey, welcome to the site.

I have a 1720. Its been a workhorse. I treat it with respect because of its age. I come to a stop before reversing direction. I may have the shuttle shifter in the reversing direction but I wait or brake to a almost complete stop before letting the clutch out. I guess the more weight she is carrying dictates if I completely stop.
There is a lot of stress to many moving parts when reversing direction.

Mark

 

[moojamboo]

Hey Roman, thanks for the advice. I'll just come to a stop to baby her.

If than is your 1720 in your signature it looks nice! Mine came to me with some rusty tin but I have started refinishing her when I can. I love the white and blue.

Take care,

 

[Marveltone]

I think some people here are not familiar with the Ford xx10 series. On my '85 1510, which is practically functionally identical to the 1710, the shuttle shift is not only F-N-R, but it's 1-2-3-N-R, so in reality, yes, you can indeed shift on the fly. Just a light press on the clutch, slip it in and go. Don't force it, just let it slip in. Your range selector on the floor (1-2-3-4) needs to be shifted at a complete stop, as is changing direction between forward and reverse, but you can, with a little practice, slip fairly seamlessly between 1-2-3 on the fly. The owner's manual backs this up.

 

[Marveltone]

A follow up... I meant Synchro-shift, as I don't think Ford even had shuttle-shift yet. They should be all gear trannys for those models. Am I wrong? :ashamed:

Joe