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in the case of a hydro shuttle vs shuttle shift on a geared tractor, the former is clearly superior. re: gear vs hst wars, it's meaningless to attribute a better or worse scenario,
this is a compact/sub forum, of course hst prevails among members

there is a very good reason why larger utility M series tractors are gear. the hyd shuttle gear is icing on the cake. to say one system is better than the other is naive & meaningless

Correct… but no one did say one is better overall.
Each is better in certain situations.

 

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Glad about this discussion.
I resolved what’s really bothering me and has little to do with the tractor.
Has more to do with the species itself.

There are certainly merits to both kinds and simply said, persons may need one over the other for whatever.
As I have stated, I have steered ppl to what I thought was better for them.
It’s the unreasoned picking a type because they are too lazy to do one simple thing..
So confronting this on almost a daily basis is disheartening to me as to the direction we are going.

 

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in the case of a hydro shuttle vs shuttle shift on a geared tractor, the former is clearly superior. re: gear vs hst wars, it's meaningless to attribute a better or worse scenario,
this is a compact/sub forum, of course hst prevails among members

there is a very good reason why larger utility M series tractors are gear. the hyd shuttle gear is icing on the cake. to say one system is better than the other is naive & meaningless

The contrast lessons considerably with a power shift tractor.

 

[drizler]

12 years with my shuttle and I see one big disadvantage that really bugs me. For moving dirt around and such things I always seem to be between gear ranges. That is irritating. I like to ease into whatever then have a ways to go high range to transport it or I’m all day in mid 4th going to where it dumps. If I leave it in mid all the time using 1 and 4 I will die of old age getting there.

 

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You are correct

Are people complaining about the hydros or bringing them back to trade in on gear tractors? If not, they must be happy with them.

I’ve had returns as such because ppl didn’t believe what I was trying to tell them. Why they think the tryout at the dealership was going to be different when they get it home, is always amazing to me.
It’s as if they convince themselves that the convenience is worth more than the reality they confront.
If a person has no reference to compare, ignorance is bliss.

 

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12 years with my shuttle and I see one big disadvantage that really bugs me. For moving dirt around and such things I always seem to be between gear ranges. That is irritating. I like to ease into whatever then have a ways to go high range to transport it or I’m all day in mid 4th going to where it dumps. If I leave it in mid all the time using 1 and 4 I will die of old age getting there.

So when you’re say in second easing into a pile, don’t you have the opportunity to shift into high range for transport while still staying in second?
I do that with mine all the time and find it very handy.
What’s your tractor?

 

[Eagle1]

Having used both, HST for me. Steep ground, thick woods, deep ditches to clean, lot of loader work, little mowing. Flatter ground I might use a gear tractor but for keeping up with roads, trails, round bales and firewood I personally found HST to more useful.

 

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Having used both, HST for me. Steep ground, thick woods, deep ditches to clean, lot of loader work, little mowing. Flatter ground I might use a gear tractor but for keeping up with roads, trails, round bales and firewood I personally found HST to more useful.

At least you have reasons as to which you like better.
Im talking about the customer who has none and insists on the hydros on hearsay.
But again, the discussion is not so much on personal, acknowledged preferences.
It is more about what I’m experiencing selling to society.

 

[ptsg]

So when you’re say in second easing into a pile, don’t you have the opportunity to shift into high range for transport while still staying in second?
I do that with mine all the time and find it very handy.
What’s your tractor?

Same here. Just moved around 5 tons of dirt and rocks yesterday to open space for more olive trees.

Approaching the pile in low range, 3rd gear. Get a full bucket, put it in reverse and switch to Med range. Drive to the dump place, dump, and back to the pile and repeat. All of this using the foot throttle. No engine revved to the moon, no HST noise. The shuttle is super nice and easy to use.

 

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Same here. Just moved around 5 tons of dirt and rocks yesterday to open space for more olive trees.

Approaching the pile in low range, 3rd gear. Get a full bucket, put it in reverse and switch to Med range. Drive to the dump place, dump, and back to the pile and repeat. All of this using the foot throttle. No engine revved to the moon, no HST noise. The shuttle is super nice and easy to use.

Ah…and therein lies the point.

Driving a shuttle is not akin to lifting that 100 lb weight with your body and putting it over there 50 times.

But some of my customers think that’s what I’m asking them to do if I suggest a shuttle over a hydro for their particular needs.
It’s getting to be like saying the words, “ nuclear energy”.
Automatic connotations of the world ending in a melted slag.