2008 F250 4x4 Diesel or V10?

[chh]

Runner,

I make my money in an office--the folks here give me all kinds of grief because I am too cheap to buy carpet and auto doorlocks when I get a new truck.

Most of them have car payments. Not me.

Anyhow, when that rubber floormat gets faded, I just shine her up and she looks like new.

Really do like this truck. My favorite of the 7 I have owned since 1972. This one gets better mileage than that old 360 with 4 speed and no air.

Gosh a salesman that is as cheap as a rancher! I only buy worktrucks. Carpet and ranchwork just don't hardly go together. Of course monthly truck payments a ranch work don't go together very well for me either. It is amazing how difficult it can be anymore to get a dealership to understand a cash deal.

The 73 3/4 ton I had as a ranch truck in the 80's got 10 mpg. Loaded, empty, good weather or bad it always seemed you could count on 10.

 

[Diamondpilot]

You could be right about the 04 having the torque shift. I may be off a year.

Sorry if I am wrong.

Chris

 

[Diamondpilot]

The Torque Shift is also known as the 5R110W.

Chris

 

[dgl24087]

The 6.0 Powerstroke got the TorqShift in mid-2003 model year, it was made available with all engines in the 2005 model year.

 

[Diamondpilot]

The 6.0 Powerstroke got the TorqShift in mid-2003 model year, it was made available with all engines in the 2005 model year.

DLG24087, you and I were right. I just checked the net and the Torque shift was only available with the V10 starting in 2005. Prior to that it was only available on the 6.0L Diesel starting in 2003.

Chris

 

[beefeater]

So,

Assuming the newer V10's have the same tranny and rear as the diesel, it should have no problems handling the increased torque and HP an blower would provide?

500 plus Hp and 600 plus ft lbs?

The diesel makes over 600 ftlbs, but not nearly that much HP

 

[Builder]

So,

Assuming the newer V10's have the same tranny and rear as the diesel, it should have no problems handling the increased torque and HP an blower would provide?

500 plus Hp and 600 plus ft lbs?

The diesel makes over 600 ftlbs, but not nearly that much HP

There's no clear defined answer. It all depends on what capacities inside the Torqshift you exceed. You're guessing on the HP/TQ. You won't know what it'll be until you install it and run it on a dyno unless the installer has another truck that's already been measured.

If you're worried about exceeding the transmission's input capacity, then you're worried about the warranty, too. Look up the nearest Ford dealer that handled "SVO" stuff, back when Ford sold SVO & aftermarket performance parts and ask them for advice.

Having seen a lot of people go through what you're asking about, the best thing to do is make Ford put the blower on and gaurantee you full warranty service. It'll cost more up front, but you'll be able to ease the obvious worry you have about the transmission & driveline.

 

[beefeater]

Absolutely guessing on numbers, however, it is an educated guess based on numbers derived from the already available numbers given by Ford for the 5.4 blower.

Obviously, this is a purely theoretical discussion since no such blower exists for the V10, but it is interesting to think about, none the less.

Gains made in HP and Torque from the blower would meet or exceed the diesel. The costs would be cost of blower ($4-6000), plus 1-2 MPG loss, and a premium gas requirement. Since the diesel is $6000 more than the gas, and diesel is 25 cents more per gallon than premium, the costs are a wash.

When you think about the HP gains and similar torque, the Blown V10 wins. When you think about the engine weight difference, the blown V10 wins by a mile. I have read the diesel weighs 500lbs more than the gasser. 500 lbs added to the front of any vehicle is never a good thing. The blower would probably add about 40lbs or less to the V10.

The only remaining question is- can the V10 engine, tranny, and drivetrain handle 500 HP? We already know that it can handle the torque since we have the diesel torque numbers. Moreover, the blown v8 puts out 460 HP through the F150 tranny/ drivetrain and is Ford factory designed and offered. I have to imagine it should be no problem.

Ford has a ton of experience working with superchargers over the years. If this engine were produced and factory tested, I'd bet it would be reliable.

Just for fun, imagine the look on the $90,000 supercharged Range Rover driver's face as you pull away from him at the light with 7000lb F250!

 

[JiminGa]

DLG24087, you and I were right. I just checked the net and the Torque shift was only available with the V10 starting in 2005. Prior to that it was only available on the 6.0L Diesel starting in 2003.

Chris

yep, I was mistaken. My truck has the 4r100 trans according to the owners manuel and sticker. I think I had looked at that when buying mine and was miffed that they made the switch in 05 now that I think about it.

 

[JiminGa]

Absolutely guessing on numbers, however, it is an educated guess based on numbers derived from the already available numbers given by Ford for the 5.4 blower.

Obviously, this is a purely theoretical discussion since no such blower exists for the V10, but it is interesting to think about, none the less.

Gains made in HP and Torque from the blower would meet or exceed the diesel. The costs would be cost of blower ($4-6000), plus 1-2 MPG loss, and a premium gas requirement. Since the diesel is $6000 more than the gas, and diesel is 25 cents more per gallon than premium, the costs are a wash.

When you think about the HP gains and similar torque, the Blown V10 wins. When you think about the engine weight difference, the blown V10 wins by a mile. I have read the diesel weighs 500lbs more than the gasser. 500 lbs added to the front of any vehicle is never a good thing. The blower would probably add about 40lbs or less to the V10.

The only remaining question is- can the V10 engine, tranny, and drivetrain handle 500 HP? We already know that it can handle the torque since we have the diesel torque numbers. Moreover, the blown v8 puts out 460 HP through the F150 tranny/ drivetrain and is Ford factory designed and offered. I have to imagine it should be no problem.

Ford has a ton of experience working with superchargers over the years. If this engine were produced and factory tested, I'd bet it would be reliable.

Just for fun, imagine the look on the $90,000 supercharged Range Rover driver's face as you pull away from him at the light with 7000lb F250!

might be fun for straight line "stop light to stop light" launches, but it's still a 7000lb beast that handles like one, no way you'd want to race that rover through curves.