2022 Outlander Max 6x6

   / 2022 Outlander Max 6x6 #181  
ArlyA thinks towing an implement is harder on an ATV than plowing. Perhaps. However he still hasn't explained how plowing is actually untaxing to the engine.
 
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   / 2022 Outlander Max 6x6 #182  
I think a shaft with u-joints on each end would have been sturdier than the small spline set-up.
I'm not an expert but instead of u-joints is can am using self centering involute splines to be able to compensate and maintain a mating surface for the articulation of the front axle?
 
   / 2022 Outlander Max 6x6
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#183  
I'm not an expert but instead of u-joints is can am using self centering involute splines to be able to compensate and maintain a mating surface for the articulation of the front axle?
This machine has independent suspension so the front differential's gearbox is bolted into the frame like most atv's are* so I'd have to guess these shafts and couplers are to allow very slight movements of the frame when being cycled through stress.

* Most atv people would know this.
 
   / 2022 Outlander Max 6x6 #184  
This machine has independent suspension so the front differential's gearbox is bolted into the frame like most atv's are* so I'd have to guess these shafts and couplers are to allow very slight movements of the frame when being cycled through stress.

* Most atv people would know this.
Lol you are correct, probably why they don't feel the need or even need to use u joints. Question, cause I'm curious on this failure and I don't have the actual parts in front of me. We're any of those ground down splines missing or where they all just ground down to a point they couldn't interlock with the coupler? I also assume the boot in picture ripped once the shaft kept spinning and the yoke was not? Apologies for lack of proper terminology lol.
 
   / 2022 Outlander Max 6x6 #185  
Arley, I wouldn't stress too much about it. Just a bit of casual parts browsing online showed that this is a common-ish part to break. I also see that there are upgraded shafts available. A couple places listed this as a "sacrificial" part designed to give way before more expensive driveline components fail. I would take that with a grain of salt but not totally discount it.

In my experience with my larger than life mudding 4 wheeler years ago, most of the time you tend to find the parts that need to be upgraded rather quickly. Mine was a Polaris 850XP, a 71 HP unit, with very large tires and slightly lifted. I had to upgrade the front axle shafts due to frequent breakage. The upgraded components never broke, nor did any other driveline component fail because of the upgraded axles. That's not to say it's the same issue, just trying to be supportive. Shock loads, high traction reversing, or extreme angles were typically the culprits for mine. Not the same part though so you shouldn't have to worry about the extreme angles. But still, reversing under load with the wheels (tracks) turned to lock could still cause a potential for binding, adding increased strain to the front drive components.

I bet you have more traction on the front than the typical user because of the tracks. Me personally, I would be mindful of that fact when you get the warranty replacement back, then if it happens again install the upgraded shaft.

You have a serious unit there. I like it.
 
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Arley, I wouldn't stress too much about it. Just a bit of casual parts browsing online showed that this is a common-ish part to break. I also see that there are upgraded shafts available. A couple places listed this as a "sacrificial" part designed to give way before more expensive driveline components fail. I would take that with a grain of salt but not totally discount it.

In my experience with my larger than life mudding 4 wheeler years ago, most of the time you tend to find the parts that need to be upgraded rather quickly. Mine was a Polaris 850XP, a 71 HP unit, with very large tires and slightly lifted. I had to upgrade the front axle shafts due to frequent breakage. The upgraded components never broke, nor did any other driveline component fail because of the upgraded axles. That's not to say it's the same issue, just trying to be supportive. Shock loads, high traction reversing, or extreme angles were typically the culprits for mine. Not the same part though so you shouldn't have to worry about the extreme angles. But still, reversing under load with the wheels (tracks) turned to lock could still cause a potential for binding, adding increased strain to the front drive components.

I bet you have more traction on the front than the typical user because of the tracks. Me personally, I would be mindful of that fact when you get the warranty replacement back, then if it happens again install the upgraded shaft.

You have a serious unit there. I like it.
The machine is already back out in the field and yes, these couplers are known to fail with people who groom trails and equipped with pods. BRP does know of these failures. Some claim these spines were not heat treated properly. 🙄
 
   / 2022 Outlander Max 6x6 #187  
The machine is already back out in the field and yes, these couplers are known to fail with people who groom trails and equipped with pods. BRP does know of these failures. Some claim these spines were not heat treated properly. 🙄
Are some claiming these were heat treated properly?
 
   / 2022 Outlander Max 6x6 #188  
The machine is already back out in the field and yes, these couplers are known to fail with people who groom trails and equipped with pods. BRP does know of these failures. Some claim these spines were not heat treated properly. 🙄
You should be able to eliminate possible causes if you examined or had old parts in front of you. Were they all just ground down or was there evidence of a few splines broken off causing it to not mate properly and grind down , any torsional strain, twisting on shaft itself? Discoloration in any components? Enquiring minds want to know lol.
 
   / 2022 Outlander Max 6x6 #189  
You can’t just judge machine stress on throttle input

My 557 cubic inch ford makes max torque at like 1400rpm
(and that has broken 3 transmissions and 2 rearends)
An electric motor makes 100% at zero rpm
Does it make max torque at partial throttle?
Arly stated that he's plowing at partial throttle; he didn't state what rpm.
I think his statement that he's plowing at partial throttle indicates that the machine isn't near max output, where it would be taxed (under heavy load) - not that it's not doing any work at all (obviously).
 
   / 2022 Outlander Max 6x6 #190  
Is the replacement shaft improved in any way over the failed shaft?
 

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