20x20 Pole Barn Project

[s219]

CHA Pole Barns of PA will be here in 2-3 weeks to build a 20x20 pole barn for us. I just got the building permit approved, and have begun site prep. Roof trusses arrived Friday. I will update this thread with progress as we go along.

Here are a couple shots of the site and grading.



After removing about 8 trees, I stripped the top layer of soil/matter off the area with my box blade. The sub-soil was muddy in spots, due to recent rains and the tree clearing activity, so I put down a bed of #3 over the entrance area, and then on the interior of the barn floor area (about 16" inside the post line so that the gravel would not interfere with drilling posts). I also lined the edges with some concrete rubble I had (again well inside the post line). Then I brought in 16 tons of compactable fill and spread that over the gravel. I packed it with my L3200 tires, then smoothed with box blade, then drove over with my SUV, then checked level and reworked a little. We're getting some solid rain from Monday-Wednesday, so I will let that settle the fill bed a little more. Then bring in a final 8-10 tons of fill at the end of next week to build up the low end more (the goal is to have no more than 6" drop from high to low per CHA requirements). We'll make up any remaining slope with skirt boards on the outside, and then level with #78 gravel (self compacting) on the inside prior to pouring the final floor.

Here are a couple shots from the truss delivery.



The driver dropped the bundle near our driveway entrance since I didn't have the heart to make him back 500 feet down a curvy driveway. I then carried them into the site with my tractor, 3-4 at a time, and stacked them across our driveway from the barn site. In retrospect, I probably could have forked the entire bundle in one shot, but was not able to judge the bundle weight properly and didn't want to lift a 22 foot wide load to find out if it was doable. Especially since I had to lift them 5' off the ground to clear my entrance gate posts! The trusses seem to weigh 100-120# each, since I could lift and move them individually, but again the 22 foot length makes it hard to judge.

 

[s219]

Here's a rendering of the barn:



Siding will be white pine, board & batten. Roof will be architectural asphalt. Goal was to make it look similar to our home (otherwise I would have preferred metal siding and roof for cost/maintenance). I will probably stain/paint the barn classic red, but still thinking that over. I'd prefer to leave the wood raw, but carpenter bees would likely go after it. Paint hides the grain and keeps them away.

 

[deerseeker001]

looks good have fun with project.

 

[MacLawn]

Looking good, s!

 

[s219]

We got several inches of rain earlier in the week, which settled down the first layer of fill pretty good, but there was some minor washout and 1-2 muddy spots. I had another 10 tons of compactable fill delivered yesterday, to be used to get to final grade, along with 8 tons of #8 gravel for top dressing.

The new load of fill was a bit damp, though it scooped and dumped fine, and raked OK when loose. I did some initial spreading and shaping with my box blade, but as the fill compacted, it began "smearing" and sticking to the box blade. So I did what I could and then made 3-4 passes to compact down with the tires, and called it done. Damp fill is certainly more finicky to work with, but it's already quite a bit more dense than dry fill, so it should have compacted OK. In case you're wondering why I rushed it, more rain is due tomorrow, and then early next week. The barn guys will be here in 7-10 days, so it was now or never.

I put a nice heavy layer of #8 gravel over the fill, which will hopefully keep erosion down and provide a non-sticky top layer to walk and drive on. I will probably rent a plate compactor and hit that top layer before we put down the final floor, just to make sure the gravel marries to the compactable fill below.

 

[BitChin1]

What are the specs on your trusses? How tall do you plan for your walls?

I will follow this project - looks like you have a good start!

 

[s219]

What are the specs on your trusses? How tall do you plan for your walls?

I will follow this project - looks like you have a good start!

Boy my back is feeling it this morning!

Walls will be 10' high. Roof has an 8:12 pitch and trusses have 25-5-05 load rating.

 

[s219]

Materials showed up yesterday:



Crew is on rain hold; I suspect construction won't start until next Monday. I rearranged a couple stacks of materials today, to get them out puddles forming after all the rain. It's amazing how slippery lumber gets when wet...

Have one last shipment coming, of concrete mix (108 sacks) to fill post holes. Deferred that to Thursday afternoon hoping the rain has stopped by then.

 

[EddieWalker]

Looks like a nice little project. What will you be putting in it?

Eddie

 

[s219]

Looks like a nice little project. What will you be putting in it?

Eddie

Mainly my Kubota L3200 and Deere LT-150 mower, and a bunch of miscellaneous junk and yard tools (shovels, etc). I will have room for some implements (on dollies) in the future if needed.

Of course, I already think I should have gone bigger; not because of future requirements, but because of the effort needed to prepare the site and handle permits -- in retrospect it seems like a lot of trouble for just a 20x20. That was a good size to work with the location and grade, but I could have gone 28 in one dimension to get more room.

 

[sld]

never too late!

 

[murphy1244]

Here's some pics of mine. Its a 24x30 including a 10x24 Patio. That leaves me with 24x20. Wish I went 30x30 on this one.

 

[s219]

Here are some pictures from Day 1 of construction. The CHA crew showed up at 8AM and worked steady through 6PM, making great progress. We had a bit of a break around 11AM for a county footing inspection, and then it was full steam ahead putting up the barn (so most of the progress seen in the pictures happened between 12PM and 6PM, which amazed me).







The CHA crew is great. The work fast and don't waste a minute. If you blink, you will miss seeing some progress. They also have quite a few tricks, and made a lot of checks and tweaks to continually square up and line up the structure as it was framed. Real interesting to watch.

Later in the day, the boss showed up to supervise:

 

[EddieWalker]

GOOD GOLLY!!!! What are they using for a header. That thing is massive!!!!

Eddie

 

[s219]

GOOD GOLLY!!!! What are they using for a header. That thing is massive!!!!

Eddie

It's a doubled 2x12, one notched into the posts and the other nailed on to the first. Then big spikes through both into the posts. It certainly looks bigger than needed. I bet they could have got away with 2x10 for the light snow loads here.

One good thing is that I haven't seen a single aspect of the framing work that was questionable. Everything is as good or better than I would do, and in most cases they're doing it in a much more clever and productive way. These guys do 150-200 barns a year and it shows.

 

[s219]

Some pictures from Day 2, where roofing was completed, and siding/trim started (about 70% done).




The CHA guys worked from 7AM to 6PM, and were cranking. They are very good with the detail work that goes into siding and trim, and are doing a great job. I like seeing the attention to detail as well as the unique style/touches they are putting into the trim. It's going to be a great looking barn.

 

[EddieWalker]

I like the picture where one is working on the roof and the other is working on the siding. Nothing says good work ethic like everybody doing something and nobody standing around watching the one guy who is doing all the work!!!!! Right now I'm building a two level deck for a client out at the lake. Across a small inlet there is a crew of five building a boat dock for my clients neighbors. There are five of them out there and so far it's a pretty even race on who is getting more done. Me working by myself or the five of them who probably put in a total of 3 to four hours a day of actual work. LOL

Eddie

 

[s219]

The CHA crew finished up around noon today. They did a nice job trimming out the track for the sliding doors on the front gable. (I was busy smoking some pork and didn't have time to take pics, but will get some over the weekend).

Concrete floor work will probably happen the week after next. I need to bring in more fill to level the floor. Will probably add another row of skirt board in back to make up some of the 9" gap, and then pour the floor concrete against forms to make up whatever gaps are left under the skirts, and backfill against that on the outside.

I am going to build the sliding doors and entry door myself, hopefully this weekend. Should be fun.

After that, I need to work on stain/paint. Thinking either a weathered gray or barn red semi-transparent stain at the moment.

 

[deerseeker001]

looking good enjoy

 

[TURKEY131]

S219, If you don't mind do you have a break down of the costs. I am thinking about a pole barn and was wondering what it might cost.