4 in 1 bucket tip

   / 4 in 1 bucket tip #91  
Re: 4 in 1 regen. \"solution #4?\"

Dan,
Thanks for the feedback...you're doing quite well with you "homework" :)

With only 1 exception, I think your results confirm what MarkC has been trying to teach us, and what the owner's manual and my own test at the dealer suggest. And they indicate that your 4in1 bucket-controls work in the "preferred" manner.

About the 1 exception:
You write -[[ "With the bucket fully UP to move fully down took 9 seconds with the FEL hydraulic lever in the second position. I think that is regen. Non regen, the top position to do the same movement took 7 seconds. At 2500 RPMs the tests took 6 and 7 seconds. Which is kinda strange ]]

I'm assuming that all your tests were done using the left/right motions of the joystick only.
In other words that when you say the bucket is moving up/down, you are talking about rollback/dump operations...NOT about about lowering the bucket to/raising it up from-the ground.

Assuming this is correct, then all we need, in order for everything to "work-out", is for the regen/non-regen positions to be the opposite of what you thought. I think that is the case.

If, when you talk about the FEL hydraulic lever being in the 2nd position, you are really talking about the SELECTIVE CONTROL VALVE LOCK LEVER (look at the top-right photo on page 39 of your owner's manual), then the 2nd (or middle) position is the one with the symbol that looks like an open book. This position is NON-REGEN (it is locked out!).

The REGEN position is the 1st(or top) position. The symbol is an unlocked-padlock... showing that REGEN is "unlocked", or functioning.

With this understanding, the REGEN operation is faster, as expected.

And on rollback, where Mark tells us there is never a REGEN function, regardless of lock-lever position, both tests were non-regen, and both had, therefore, the same speed.

It seems like everything is working "hunky-dory"(anybody know what THAT means?)!

Thanks Dan, for all your work,

Larry
 
   / 4 in 1 bucket tip #92  
Re: 4 in 1 regen. \"solution #4?\"

Dan,

In my last post, I only considered your 9sec/7sec test.
( conveniently, things worked-out well doing it this way:)

I wasn't sure which time went with which setting (REGEN/non-regen) on the 6sec/7sec test. And whichever it was, the 1-second interval was likely to be a little less accurate, using a voice-count, than the 2-second difference of the first test.

This makes sense in my head... not sure if it makes any sense coming out my fingers!

Let me know what you think,

Larry
 
   / 4 in 1 bucket tip #93  
Re: 4 in 1 regen. \"solution #4?\"

Larry,

I DO know what hunky-dorey means! :cool: Course I don't have a clue as to where the staying comes from. I'm sure the old timers do! :cool:

The tests were just moving the bucket. I had the FEL raised 3-4 feet off the ground.

I really expected a decrease in time on my "exception." I don't know if things are WAD or my counting is off as well as my reading and writing. :cool:

The FEL lever is the SCV valve lock lever. But it is working as I described. To put it another way, if I put the SCV value lock in the unlocked position, the position closest to the operator seat aka the unlocked padlock, I CANNOT use the open/close operations on the bucket. If I put the lever in the middle position I CAN use the open/close operations.

SOOOO, if I need regen, open lock decal on the SCV lock lever, to work the open/close functions of the 4n1 bucket, then my FEL is not plumped correctly.

Is my understanding correct?

Thanks...
Dan McCarty
 
   / 4 in 1 bucket tip #94  
Re: 4 in 1 regen. \"solution #4?\"

<font color=blue>I DO know what hunky-dorey means! :cool: Course I don't have a clue as to where the staying comes from. I'm sure the old timers do! :cool:</font color=blue>

It is named from a flat bottom boat used by the Portuguese to fish Cod in the North Atlantic(Dory) The boats were made from peanut butter with chopped nuts./w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

Or maybe/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-hun2.htm
 
   / 4 in 1 bucket tip #95  
Re: 4 in 1 regen. \"solution #4?\"

Twinkle Toes, dog gone you!!!!

I get up most mornings about 4:30. Not for any particular reason other than I like to get up at 4:30....guess it goes back to my swimming days. Anyway, I get up, get my coffee, get on the net, and go to my ususal boards to read, this being one of them. About day light I get on with my day. The web sight you listed threw my morning ritual way off. I was facinated by your link. I stayed on that sight for 2 hours. Like I said, dog gone you!!!

Do not go to T.T.s link, it is way to mesmerizing!

Thanks :)

Bill Cook
 
   / 4 in 1 bucket tip #96  
Re: 4 in 1 regen. \"solution #4?\"

Twinkle Toes,

Great link... just what I was asking for when I wondered if anyone knew what it meant.
I like the "Japanese street" version :)

Larry
 
   / 4 in 1 bucket tip #97  
Re: 4 in 1 regen. \"solution #4?\"

Dan, you wrote [[[SOOOO, if I need regen, open lock decal on the SCV lock lever, to work the open/close functions of the 4n1 bucket, then my FEL is not plumped correctly.

Is my understanding correct?]]

Almost,(in my opinion)!
You DO NOT need REGEN (yes, it is the unlocked-padlock)...You need NON-regen (open book symbol), for 4in1 operation (per MarkC). AND YOU SEEM TO HAVE IT!

I'd say your FEL is plumbed just fine :)

By the way, I'm really enjoying these "conversations", and your experiments.

Thanks,
Larry
 
   / 4 in 1 bucket tip #98  
Rich, did you plumb your bucket to open and shut the clam on the bucket roll or the bucket lift circuit. Just got my 64" Long bucket today and Long's instruction say to plumb bucket rams into the the loader lift circuit. I would appreciate knowing your thinking on this. I know Mark wrote a bit about this a while back and I will try to find it.

thanks again,
george
 
   / 4 in 1 bucket tip #99  
George,

Faced with the same instruction-sheet, I called and spoke with Vance, at Long's.

He said "no-problem", plumb it either way on my 4700. I think this was because the 4700 has a regen-lockout lever, that will prevent the regen-circuit problems that Mark has described.

I don't know about the 970. You'll want to be sure you understand what Mark was saying, and how your tractor hydraulics work, and might be well-advised to talk to Vance before you proceed.

I went ahead and plumbed into the dump-rollback circuit, and everything works as Mark preferred,... dump=open-with-button-pushed/rollback=close-with-button-pushed.

I don't trust my memory enough to try to repeat what Mark has already said so well, and think your intent to find and review his posts is the way to go.

So I guess all I'm really contributing is encouragement to talk with Vance.
As you probably already know, he is very helpful /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif .
Larry
 
   / 4 in 1 bucket tip #100  
Larry, my 970 JD also has a two stage re-gen valve for bucket roll dump mode. So I guess I will plumb it like you and Mark suggest. Did you block out the re-gen portion (far right) part of you dump circuit by moving that stop bar on the valve body in place. Or do just simply just not move the stick to the re-gen (far right) section when using the 4n1 bucket. Also, what happens if you do go to the far right while pressing the button to work the clam cylinders.

thanks again,
george
 
 

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